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Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 9:44 pm
by Lone Shark
Have just filed the last few bits of my reports from Nowlan Park, and what's painfully evident is that there are plenty of Offaly players out there that are just running on empty right now. I've no doubt that what started there tonight was the best team that could be picked when the injuries to Screeney and Guinan are factored into the mix, but there is no way that anyone could look at that game and not immediately identify that the U-20s, and a couple of others as well, looked completely and utterly shattered. It's a testament to Donal Shirley's talent that at times he looked gassed, yet he kept rallying and coming up with big plays.

Kilkenny missed a plethora of second half chances and if they needed to step it up and win by ten more, I'd say they could have. And it's all very well to say that Wexford aren't as good as Kilkenny - they're clearly not - but Offaly would still have to be at our very, very best to have a chance of beating them in Wexford, and we are not right now. Yes, it's possible that we could theoretically beat Wexford and then open up the possibility of a three-way tie on two points, which would be an extra lifeline against an Antrim side that will 100% phone it in next Saturday in Salthill - but even if we do that, there's every chance that Kilkenny have their Leinster final place secured anyway by the time they play Wexford, and they go down there with a shadow team, giving fringe lads game time etc. So even if we do empty the tank even further and by some shock we sneak a one-point win in Wexford Park, it may be of no use. And I promise you, a narrow Wexford win where every ball is fought for right up to the final whistle would be celebrated in Antrim, that's exactly what they want to see. That is the worst-case scenario for us.

Any of the ifs, buts and maybes that we talked about here on this forum over the past few months are off the table. Antrim is the only show in town now, and they've made no bones about that from the start of the year. We saw that with their messed up travel plans for the league game in Tullamore. I promise you there will be no train trips to Dublin in a fortnight, it'll be staying overnight in Portlaoise and being perfectly ready for the biggest game of the year. They are preparing for this one game from months out.

We can't match that energy because we weren't thinking like that up to now, but there's still time to try and get our focus right. If we limp into that game in Tullamore after putting another 70 minutes into the legs of these young lads, then we all know how this will go. The country will celebrate another masterful Davy Fitzgerald plot, and we'll be left to count the cost of pride and 'taking the high road'.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 10:00 pm
by Géill Slí
Look, we’re just not at Kilkenny’s level yet, and let’s be honest, we have a fair bit to go, but we battled on throughout, and took some good scores. Oisin’s two goals were the highlight, but I thought Dan Bourke played well also, burned Paddy Deegan for pace and a nice score in the first half. Too many of our forwards made zero impact, and there was a constant stream of lovely ball being fed into the Kilkenny forwards. We kept Donnelly, Cody and Keoghan reasonably quiet, but TJ is still a class act. Despite the goals, I thought Ben did well overall, and Donal Shirley had a good second half,
That’s two games in a row now Jason Sampson has picked up an early (needless) yellow …
Physically, we are not at Kilkenny’s level yet.
Good to see some of the panel getting game time at the end.
It’s still all about staying up and giving these lads time and the exposure to top teams to develop.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 10:06 pm
by Géill Slí
Géill Slí wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 10:00 pm Look, we’re just not at Kilkenny’s level yet, and let’s be honest, we have a fair bit to go, but we battled on throughout, and took some good scores. Oisin’s two goals were the highlight, but I thought Dan Bourke played well also, burned Paddy Deegan for pace and a nice score in the first half. Too many of our forwards made zero impact, and there was a constant stream of lovely ball being fed into the Kilkenny forwards. We kept Donnelly, Cody and Keoghan reasonably quiet, but TJ is still a class act. Despite the goals, I thought Ben did well overall, and Donal Shirley had a good second half,
That’s two games in a row now Jason Sampson has picked up an early (needless) yellow …
Physically, we are not at Kilkenny’s level yet.
Good to see some of the panel getting game time at the end.
It’s still all about staying up and giving these lads time and the exposure to top teams to develop.
Yes absolutely, need to focus completely on the Antrim game now and give the majority of the starting 15 time off.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 12:08 am
by G91
We need to win v Antrim

The forum is glitching

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 2:39 pm
by Bord na Mona man
It's unfortunate that the Wexford match is a week before the Antrim showdown. Normally it would have been a fixture Offaly could have targeted.
However, needs must. Offaly will need to rest a lot of players this coming weekend.
It would be absolute madness to go full throttle trying to beat Wexford.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 9:23 am
by ah lethimoutwithit
Bord na Mona man wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 2:39 pm It's unfortunate that the Wexford match is a week before the Antrim showdown. Normally it would have been a fixture Offaly could have targeted.
However, needs must. Offaly will need to rest a lot of players this coming weekend.
It would be absolute madness to go full throttle trying to beat Wexford.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 9:24 am
by ah lethimoutwithit
Bord na Mona man wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 2:39 pm It's unfortunate that the Wexford match is a week before the Antrim showdown. Normally it would have been a fixture Offaly could have targeted.
However, needs must. Offaly will need to rest a lot of players this coming weekend.
It would be absolute madness to go full throttle trying to beat Wexford.
Agree 100%, 20s were not at it in Newbridge and its as much about mental freshness as anything else in the coming 2 weeks. Getting the ballance right between staying fresh and going stale is key and we will need lads playing with their heads completely against Antrim.
Davey will be laser focussed on last game and will have built training to peak for that, but they won't be able to turn it on like a tap and are no world beaters.

No shame in starting an almost new 15 with anyone expecting to play against Antrim only playing 30 mins, using your 5 subs at halftime.
Its not our fault that the fear factor of relegation results in this type of carry on, and if this is to change, they should look at a grace period for a couple of years in Leinster champ for likes of OY/Laois/Antrim....or else move the fixture between 2 perceived weaker teams up the pecking order.
Jaysus when you think back to the Dublin game now, we were in a super position and a little more composure and we had em.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 5:27 pm
by oneshot
Dublin was the one that got away should have seen that one out. the last two games we have gave galway and the cats 2 goals start game over . lets be honest i never expected to beat kilkenny and galway this year. both them sides have the guts of 12 or more players who have years of leinster and all ireland experience wheres its offalys first year back in a while.

Antrim is the big one and it was always in a way the game to keep us up maybe we might get something in wexford i doubt it doe. walking out of nowlan park last saturday night a offaly supporter said to me we won't stay up or beat Antrim without Adam Screeney i said his a big lost alright but i said if we can't beat Antrim in fairness without Screeney we dont deserve to stay up. i also think Johnny Kelly should try something different again wexford maybe sam bourke who hurl well when he came on and brecon kavanagh should get a run in the backs . the last word what the hell has happen to Cillian Kiely from been our main lynchpin of the backs last year to not been even in the 26 last weekend while some might not agree i think with him gone from centre back teams have been walking through us right through the centre this year.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 5:50 pm
by faithfulfanatic
oneshot wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 5:27 pm Dublin was the one that got away should have seen that one out. the last two games we have gave galway and the cats 2 goals start game over . lets be honest i never expected to beat kilkenny and galway this year. both them sides have the guts of 12 or more players who have years of leinster and all ireland experience wheres its offalys first year back in a while.

Antrim is the big one and it was always in a way the game to keep us up maybe we might get something in wexford i doubt it doe. walking out of nowlan park last saturday night a offaly supporter said to me we won't stay up or beat Antrim without Adam Screeney i said his a big lost alright but i said if we can't beat Antrim in fairness without Screeney we dont deserve to stay up. i also think Johnny Kelly should try something different again wexford maybe sam bourke who hurl well when he came on and brecon kavanagh should get a run in the backs . the last word what the hell has happen to Cillian Kiely from been our main lynchpin of the backs last year to not been even in the 26 last weekend while some might not agree i think with him gone from centre back teams have been walking through us right through the centre this year.
Cillian isn’t training fully at all and looks unfit.
Didn’t bother himself at all against Galway and was rightfully taken back off.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 10:13 am
by Lone Shark
oneshot wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 5:27 pm the last word what the hell has happen to Cillian Kiely from been our main lynchpin of the backs last year to not been even in the 26 last weekend while some might not agree i think with him gone from centre back teams have been walking through us right through the centre this year.
I'm not at Offaly senior hurling training sessions so I won't say what CK is or isn't doing, but he hasn't been at it on the pitch, and he's got chances that other players haven't got.

Moreover, this has been a mixed year for Offaly hurling overall, with the success of the league balanced by the disappointment of the championship so far, and of course the underage defeats to Laois and Dublin. But if you asked me to name perhaps the most encouraging thing we've seen, that has been the emergence of Donal Shirley, mainly at centre back (I know he was out on the wing vs Kilkenny). Not meaning to knock Screeney/Ravenhill/Mahon etc but it's one thing to come out as an U-20 hurler and to hold your own in a corner. It's another thing entirely to make your debut at 19 years of age in the half-back line, then to go out in January in your last year as an U-20 and play most of the season at 6, starting by marking Marty Kavanagh and kicking on from there.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 11:02 am
by Faithfully
oneshot wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 5:27 pm
the last word what the hell has happen to Cillian Kiely from been our main lynchpin of the backs last year to not been even in the 26 last weekend while some might not agree i think with him gone from centre back teams have been walking through us right through the centre this year.
What do lads be looking at all, think they have their favourite players and ignore all logic beyond that... Kiely has had opportunity vs Dublin and Galway and hasn't done well unfortunately, hopefully he can produce something for us before the year is out because he's been one of our great players the past couple of years.

Curious as to how you think he's going to stop teams running through us, this is Liam McCarthy hurling where every team is strong and fast. This romantic notion of the big strong lad with below average pace at centre back doesn't last long against the reality that is the speed the top teams play with.

We are as well set at centre back in terms of aerial presence and athleticism as we can be atm.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 11:18 am
by ah lethimoutwithit
Having been at both games (Dublin and Galway), I can't make any case for Cillian Kiely at present.
I thought he was the man to turn to in both games but he is nowhere near where he needs to be at present for that level.

Whether he could make an impact against Antrim in the last game is questionable but you would like to think that he could.

Bottom line is the resources that are there have to be maximised and offering an opportunity for squad players to earn a rap at Antrim through a startin slot in Wexford is a start.
Mentally its a tough situation as we have to have the tank as full as we can on Sat week v Antrim.

Shame to see Adam Screeney ruled out, but how can you say we have limited chance of beating Antrim without him??? Jeez come on man, he's very little hurling done...nah, need hardened seasoned seniors chomping at the bit.
We've looked after Antrim and given them too many opportunities over the years, time to man up in every sense and get over the line for another year on McCarthy!

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 2:52 pm
by SearingDrive
ah lethimoutwithit wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 11:18 am Having been at both games (Dublin and Galway), I can't make any case for Cillian Kiely at present.
I thought he was the man to turn to in both games but he is nowhere near where he needs to be at present for that level.

Whether he could make an impact against Antrim in the last game is questionable but you would like to think that he could.

Bottom line is the resources that are there have to be maximised and offering an opportunity for squad players to earn a rap at Antrim through a startin slot in Wexford is a start.
Mentally its a tough situation as we have to have the tank as full as we can on Sat week v Antrim.

Shame to see Adam Screeney ruled out, but how can you say we have limited chance of beating Antrim without him??? Jeez come on man, he's very little hurling done...nah, need hardened seasoned seniors chomping at the bit.
We've looked after Antrim and given them too many opportunities over the years, time to man up in every sense and get over the line for another year on McCarthy!
I believe Cillian Kiely has left the panel.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 6:24 pm
by frankthetank
Donal Shirley is a generational talent in my eyes.

Has the potential to be our best half back since a certain B Whelahan.

Re: Offaly Senior Hurlers 2025

Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 10:10 pm
by greenairfield
No harm that he is left its time to move on from good joe mcdonagh player that was his level.