New manager

Lone Shark · Post by **Lone Shark** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:46 am

At the risk of being confrontational, and this is not what I'm going for, I don't really think that constitutes being put in my place to be honest.

I didn't remember 1995, so fair enough. I thought 1997 was a QF against EI, but again my memory is hazy. EI went on to win it though, so tis more or less the same. As for "hockeying" St. Annes, I only remember listening to the result on the radio as we were turning into the house (significant day at the time, hence the memory, I won't go into it here) and ye won 3-10 to 2-8. Maybe the Anne's scores were late, but the truth is that I wouldn't call that a hockeying.

Since we're talking about the late nineties, it's record of three wins and four losses, with all the wins coming against Wexford teams. Now Goddammit I hate being in the anti-Reds seat again, I'm really not trying to, but that ain't great by any stretch of the imagination. Wexford clubs are down there with Westmeath and Longford in terms of being the clubs that just never make an impact on the province. These ain't big wins. I'd stand by my verdict that what Rhode achieved last winter was more than Edenderry managed in four campaigns.

As an aside, what the hell happened yesterday? I fully expected that to be a 1-6 to 0-8 humdinger - had to re-read the text a few times to be sure I wasn't gone blind.

Sydthebeat · Post by **Sydthebeat** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:04 pm

I hear Clive Woodward is interested in the job.....

True Red · Post by **True Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:10 pm

Maybe the Anne's scores were late, but the truth is that I wouldn't call that a hockeying.

Thats exactly what happened.At one stage in the second half of that match it was 3-08 to 0-06 and Edenderry took the foot off the pedal bigtime.

Wexford clubs are down there with Westmeath and Longford in terms of being the clubs that just never make an impact on the province.

Well put it another way,in 1975 Longford Slashers beat Rhode 2-9 to 1-10.Rhode lost to Fr Manning Gaels (Longford) at the first round in 1998 after a replay0-09 to 0-06.In 2000 they beat Newtown Blues (Louth)1-09 to 0-06 (who i think you will agree could be bracketed along with westmeath and Longford as regards club sides in Leinster)
and lost to Na Fianna in the semi by 7 points.
The beat Clonguish(Longford) in 2004 and crumbled to Portlaoise in O'Connor Park.And you all know what happened last year,which admittedly was a good run but nothing over or above what That Edenderry side achieved.

As regards yesterday's events from an Edenderry point of view its not worth talking about.Ferbane played well and were good enough to beat edenderry and thats about it.

True Red · Post by **True Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:12 pm

True Red wrote:
Maybe the Anne's scores were late, but the truth is that I wouldn't call that a hockeying.
Thats exactly what happened.At one stage in the second half of that match it was 3-08 to 0-06 and Edenderry took the foot off the pedal bigtime.

Wexford clubs are down there with Westmeath and Longford in terms of being the clubs that just never make an impact on the province.
Well put it another way,in 1975 Longford Slashers beat Rhode 2-9 to 1-10.Rhode lost to Fr Manning Gaels (Longford) at the first round in 1998 after a replay0-09 to 0-06.In 2000 they beat Newtown Blues (Louth)1-09 to 0-06 (who i think you will agree could be bracketed along with westmeath and Longford club sides)and in the next match lost to Na Fianna in the semi by 7 points.
The beat Clonguish(Longford) in 2004 and crumbled to Portlaoise in O'Connor Park.And you all know what happened last year,which admittedly was a good run but nothing over or above what That Edenderry side achieved.

As regards yesterday's events from an Edenderry point of view its not worth talking about.Ferbane played well and were good enough to beat edenderry and thats about it.

True Red · Post by **True Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:12 pm

Maybe the Anne's scores were late, but the truth is that I wouldn't call that a hockeying.

Thats exactly what happened.At one stage in the second half of that match it was 3-08 to 0-06 and Edenderry took the foot off the pedal bigtime.

Wexford clubs are down there with Westmeath and Longford in terms of being the clubs that just never make an impact on the province.

Well put it another way,in 1975 Longford Slashers beat Rhode 2-9 to 1-10.Rhode lost to Fr Manning Gaels (Longford) at the first round in 1998 after a replay0-09 to 0-06.In 2000 they beat Newtown Blues (Louth)1-09 to 0-06 (who i think you will agree could be bracketed along with westmeath and Longford club sides)and in the next match lost to Na Fianna in the semi by 7 points.
The beat Clonguish(Longford) in 2004 and crumbled to Portlaoise in O'Connor Park.And you all know what happened last year,which admittedly was a good run but nothing over or above what That Edenderry side achieved.

As regards yesterday's events from an Edenderry point of view its not worth talking about.Ferbane played well and were good enough to beat edenderry and thats about it.

Lone Shark · Post by **Lone Shark** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:30 pm

I'm certainly not saying that the Rhode team around 2000 flew the flag with any great distinction - they certainly didn't. If you want to compare the Edenderry team back then with Rhode of back then, the Reds win hands down, no question. However the comparison was between Edenderry back then and the Rhode team of now, basically. And in such a hypothetical match, I would tend to go with the Rhode team of today.

But it's all quesswork anyway, as these hypothetical things always are.

Louth teams would never have been fantastic, but they never were no hopers either. Mattock a few years ago proved that they had a lot more in them than your standard LD/WH/WX team. You generally don't find Louth teams getting scutched in these contests.

And you all know what happened last year,which admittedly was a good run but nothing over or above what That Edenderry side achieved.

Beating Rathnew in Aughrim is an excellent achievement, it's rare you see it happen. Stradbally mightn't have been the best team to come out of Laois ever, but they still did at a time when Laois club football is strong, and they were well beaten too. And Kilmacud were a point better than Rhode over two games, before going on to win Leinster and be edged out by the eventual AI winners. Nothing Edenderry did matches that, to my mind.

True Red · Post by **True Red** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:40 pm

Thats all fine and dandy but the record books will show the most Rhode ever achieved was a semi final place.Same as Edenderry.

the Untouchable · Post by **the Untouchable** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:07 pm

I think the problem facing Edenderry back then was the fact that County championships in Offaly were a damn sight harder won back in the 90's than they are now...in fairness Rhode aren't training to win Offaly their training to challenge to win Leinster this year.

I do stand over the fact that back then the Edenderry team man for man were a better team than Rhode are now...Rhode are good & I'm sure they'll achieve their 3 county titles in a row but that hardly makes them the greatest team ever!!!

Like look at it this way LS...by your reckoning this current Offaly team must be the best team we've had since 97 as we made a Leinster final this year, is that true LS? Cause a statement like that could rubber stamp KK as manager for another 4 years!!!

Progress in Leinster club championships shouldn't be the guide to entirely base your "best team ever" on, I agree it probably should be taken into consideration & your right they probably never did themselves justice in the Leinster campaign, but this hardly makes them a worse team than a Rhode side who only 2 years ago got a 16 point beating against Portlaoise!!!

Lone Shark · Post by **Lone Shark** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:00 pm

I do stand over the fact that back then the Edenderry team man for man were a better team than Rhode are now...Rhode are good & I'm sure they'll achieve their 3 county titles in a row but that hardly makes them the greatest team ever!!!

Of course it won't. But we're not comparing with the Ferbane or Walsh Island teams of yore here, we're comparing one vintage with another.

Like look at it this way LS...by your reckoning this current Offaly team must be the best team we've had since 97 as we made a Leinster final this year, is that true LS? Cause a statement like that could rubber stamp KK as manager for another 4 years!!!

Not at all. We played three moderate teams and beat them. We played two good teams and got badly beaten. That leaves us marginally better than moderate. In comparison to 1999 or 2000, when we were a point or two off teams that got to AI finals, we're much weaker. Rhode are a good team as much for their performance in defeat to Crokes as they are for their wins over Stradbally or Rathnew.

Progress in Leinster club championships shouldn't be the guide to entirely base your "best team ever" on, I agree it probably should be taken into consideration & your right they probably never did themselves justice in the Leinster campaign, but this hardly makes them a worse team than a Rhode side who only 2 years ago got a 16 point beating against Portlaoise!!!

Okay, once more with feeling, I am not arguing that this Rhode team is the best team ever. I am saying that I believe them to be the best club team to come out of Offaly since Ferbane in the late eighties. I do believe them to have some way to go to match that team, who in turn were a notch below the Walsh Island team around Matt Connor's playing days.

The Portlaoise game was a very bad day. However it was a bad day where (1) The keeper had a nightmare conceding two awful goals (2) Brian McCormack punched David Bannon in the stones, leading to Bannon, captain and centre back going off while McCormack goes on to score three more points and (3) it was against a team with a great forward line that went on to reach the All Ireland Final. That gave the scoreline it's ugly look. It remains a black mark on them, but I don't think anyone thinks that was Rhode's true form.

naasmanxrhode · Post by **naasmanxrhode** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:12 pm

The present Rhode team is a good team but still has a few passengers. At present it looks as if its them and Shamrocks in Offaly. Its wrong to be drawing comparrisons with teams of different generations. If asked I would go for Rhode as they have the Niall Mac factor.

But to a diifferent topic what has gone wrong with Edenderry present day. They always had 1 or 2 County men, none at present. In this years championship they beat Ballycumber in their first match only to lose it in the stewarts room, played a half decent game against Rhode and then ???. Is it management, is it lack of leadership, is it other sports, is it lack of underage talent, what is it.

It would be a disaster and a bad day for Offaly football if they were relegated to intermediate (and thats comming from a Rhode man) but as a betting man you would say that they are 4 to 9 for the chop.

the Untouchable · Post by **the Untouchable** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:53 pm

Apparently there was a bit of a row in the Edenderry dressing room among the players...where slaps were thrown, the whole thing has fallen apart over there!!!

I reckon Edenderry are doomed this year so it'll be between Rynaghs & Doon to see who avoids the drop...on yesterdays performance Doon seemed to be alot better than they were in their previous 2 outings, on another day they might well have won...gracefield should have got relegated for their tactics alone yesterday...it was pure disgraceful stuff...funny thing is they actually have a few brilliant players but they spend all their time fighting with the opposition & trying to bully their way to win!!!

Mighty Pair O' Hands · Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:35 am

Sorry to drag this thread back to the merits of the KK management team (although it is entertaining in a weird sense watching the West Offaly LS getting caught in a Rhode Edenderry cross fire !

) but

having been to quite a few senior games this year, I have yet to see KK or any of the selectors at a senior club game.

Has anybody spotted the management team at games ? Because if I was interested in a third term the least I would do is go watch the players' form in the heat of a game, particularly the fringe members or potential new players .

Black & Red · Post by **Black & Red** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:30 am

To the Untouchable, what disgraceful tactics are you talking about. There wasn't one punch thrown by a Gracefield player only some hard shouldering at certain times. What about the Doon full back taking the full forward completely out of it with a kick across the legs,to me thats disgraceful. Your comment is ridiculous

True Red · Post by **True Red** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:44 am

leading to Bannon, captain and centre back

Bannon wasnt captain of rhode that day or any day.

Lone Shark · Post by **Lone Shark** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:05 am

Mighty Pair O' Hands wrote:Sorry to drag this thread back to the merits of the KK management team (although it is entertaining in a weird sense watching the West Offaly LS getting caught in a Rhode Edenderry cross fire ! ) but

having been to quite a few senior games this year, I have yet to see KK or any of the selectors at a senior club game.

Has anybody spotted the management team at games ? Because if I was interested in a third term the least I would do is go watch the players' form in the heat of a game, particularly the fringe members or potential new players .

I live to entertain .....

Last year I saw either Kilmurray or Cooney at most games - whatever else I'd fault the lads for, that wouldn't be on the list. It would be interesting all right to know if they've given up on that now.

As for Bannon, it was a Rhode lad at the game who told me he was one off captain that day, but then I've never seen the lad since, so it could have been nonsense. My apologies if so.