Offaly Club Hurling Championship 2025

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Name the Semi finalists

Poll ended at Thu Jul 10, 2025 6:49 am

KK
12
24%
Ballinamere
13
27%
Shinrone
10
20%
Coolderry
5
10%
Rynaghs
4
8%
Birr
5
10%
Kinnitty
0
No votes
Belmont
0
No votes
Tullamore
0
No votes
Clareen
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 49

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Buttons wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 12:02 pm I think the long year with colleges/ Offaly are having an effect on Ballinamere. Being without these players meant a poor league and are probably short 2-3 players to win a championship. This along with the fact that most are duel players with durrow is having an effect, now Durrow play rhode next week in a nothing match, will be interesting if they make themselves available or not. They have 2 weeks now to probably prepare for Belmont so have to focus fully on this game.

One or two positional changes now Dan ravenhill and John Murphy are back might just change a season. A Duignan/ Ravenhill 2 man full forward line could do serious damage.

Take kk out and there is very little between the remaining 5 teams.
Word on the street is none of the duel players are going to line out for Durrow this weekend. Must be a very hard pill to take for Durrow considering 90% of their dual players are from Durrow and are not lining out for there own club.
Seems to be a lot of turmoil between Ballinamere and Durrow at the moment. Will be interesting to see what unfolds will they duals make themselves available or not? Who Knows??

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I have no sympathy for Slevin, if he just threw the ball to one side to slow it down a bit fair enough but he made such a scene out of trying to stop a quick sideline that its hard to disagree with the refs decision. Question to ask is does that constitute a free in hurling?


I definitely think its time to take some of the obvious gamesmanship out of hurling similar to what has been done with the football.

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FullForward waster wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:46 am
Buttons wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 12:02 pm I think the long year with colleges/ Offaly are having an effect on Ballinamere. Being without these players meant a poor league and are probably short 2-3 players to win a championship. This along with the fact that most are duel players with durrow is having an effect, now Durrow play rhode next week in a nothing match, will be interesting if they make themselves available or not. They have 2 weeks now to probably prepare for Belmont so have to focus fully on this game.

One or two positional changes now Dan ravenhill and John Murphy are back might just change a season. A Duignan/ Ravenhill 2 man full forward line could do serious damage.

Take kk out and there is very little between the remaining 5 teams.
Word on the street is none of the duel players are going to line out for Durrow this weekend. Must be a very hard pill to take for Durrow considering 90% of their dual players are from Durrow and are not lining out for there own club.
Seems to be a lot of turmoil between Ballinamere and Durrow at the moment. Will be interesting to see what unfolds will they duals make themselves available or not? Who Knows??
To be fair, the game for Durrow means absolutely nothing. If I was the Durrow manager, in the interests of long-term harmony in the club, I'd be telling the lads to step away and focus on the hurling, to give them the best chance possible of beating KK. Then when you actually need them, the players will remember that.
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Lone Shark wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 2:35 pm
FullForward waster wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:46 am
Buttons wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 12:02 pm I think the long year with colleges/ Offaly are having an effect on Ballinamere. Being without these players meant a poor league and are probably short 2-3 players to win a championship. This along with the fact that most are duel players with durrow is having an effect, now Durrow play rhode next week in a nothing match, will be interesting if they make themselves available or not. They have 2 weeks now to probably prepare for Belmont so have to focus fully on this game.

One or two positional changes now Dan ravenhill and John Murphy are back might just change a season. A Duignan/ Ravenhill 2 man full forward line could do serious damage.

Take kk out and there is very little between the remaining 5 teams.
Word on the street is none of the duel players are going to line out for Durrow this weekend. Must be a very hard pill to take for Durrow considering 90% of their dual players are from Durrow and are not lining out for there own club.
Seems to be a lot of turmoil between Ballinamere and Durrow at the moment. Will be interesting to see what unfolds will they duals make themselves available or not? Who Knows??
To be fair, the game for Durrow means absolutely nothing. If I was the Durrow manager, in the interests of long-term harmony in the club, I'd be telling the lads to step away and focus on the hurling, to give them the best chance possible of beating KK. Then when you actually need them, the players will remember that.
I do get that the game is a dead rubber, But you'd still like to see the lads play and give Durrow the best chance to finish the yar on a high. I am a neutral and has no effect on me but not nice to see a senior football club not being able to field a team.
Maybe this is the case that management have told them to step away and focus on the KK match ??

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What way does that work then are they giving Rhode a walkover? How will it effect the group stage finishes etc ?

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Behindthegoal wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 3:31 pm What way does that work then are they giving Rhode a walkover? How will it effect the group stage finishes etc ?
Unsure what way that will work out but could open up a hole can of worms?
No relegation which possible might have no effect on it? im sure Durrow will have a fine to pay for not fielding a team

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Talk of Durrow not having their hurlers for a dead rubber and suddenly lads have decided they are giving a walkover 🤨

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Dual players make up 10-11 starters on the Durrow team so it would be no surprise if they couldn’t fill a team considering they struggled to fill a junior team aswell. From what I’ve heard is players being told by hurling management not to play football and has been trying to get players to not play the last 2/3 years. Hearing a lot of talk of Durrow going out on their own next year and putting in a hurling team which would be huge if it happens considering 80% of that Ballinamere team are from the Durrow area
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Offalyman17 wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:02 am Dual players make up 10-11 starters on the Durrow team so it would be no surprise if they couldn’t fill a team considering they struggled to fill a junior team aswell. From what I’ve heard is players being told by hurling management not to play football and has been trying to get players to not play the last 2/3 years. Hearing a lot of talk of Durrow going out on their own next year and putting in a hurling team which would be huge if it happens considering 80% of that Ballinamere team are from the Durrow area
You must have inside information on this? Rigneys way of management is old school and from what I've read on previous post the lack of respect he shows to plays is appalling, So would not surprise me if this is the approach the hurling management are taking. I do agree that D/B have a huge crossover of dual players. Most of Ballinameres if not all county hurlers are from Durrow open to correction on this?

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A manager can say what he likes. Players are the only ones that can decide. They can easily play as not play. I've rarely seen players been told to stop playing one code and it works out over the course of the season. Ballinamere are obviously not going well. Rigney might be old school but Duignan is his right hand man and has a huge say. Basically joint mangers. He must agree with the approach of stopping duals.

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I'm not familiar with the workings of Ballinamere and Durrow, but I come from one parish that had different clubs for different sports and I've moved to another that is the same, where I'm now a club secretary.

You cannot, under any circumstances, allow it to turn into the football club versus the hurling club. Once that happens, you're goosed. There will always be "all footballs should be stabbed" and "all hurls should be used for firewood" people, but they need to be pushed out to the fringes, and you have to respect the fact that players will want to do both.

That's why it makes a big difference here whether it's Durrow or Ballinamere deciding that dual players shouldn't play. If it's Durrow stepping up to say that this game means nothing, we fully support Ballinamere's aim of winning a county title and we want all the dual players to have a full, uninterrupted two-week run-in to the KK game, then that will galvanise players both for the next couple of weeks, but also for next year.

Moreover, if there is a fine, then Durrow should take that fine, and Ballinamere should offer to pay it for them.

If on the other hand it's the Ballinamere management driving this, then that will push a wedge between the clubs, and that's not good. It's not their call to make, their only line has to be that the players are grown men, and that training will take place and it's up to the dual players to come to whatever arrangement they want to come to with Durrow.

Speaking as a bookie, if I'm pricing this hurling quarter-final and Durrow have willingly stepped aside, I'm giving Ballinamere a decent chance. If I'm pricing it and I know for certain that Niall Rigney (or whoever) has laid the law down, then I'm giving them no chance, because there will be some resentment there.
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Lone Shark wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 12:22 pm I'm not familiar with the workings of Ballinamere and Durrow, but I come from one parish that had different clubs for different sports and I've moved to another that is the same, where I'm now a club secretary.

You cannot, under any circumstances, allow it to turn into the football club versus the hurling club. Once that happens, you're goosed. There will always be "all footballs should be stabbed" and "all hurls should be used for firewood" people, but they need to be pushed out to the fringes, and you have to respect the fact that players will want to do both.

That's why it makes a big difference here whether it's Durrow or Ballinamere deciding that dual players shouldn't play. If it's Durrow stepping up to say that this game means nothing, we fully support Ballinamere's aim of winning a county title and we want all the dual players to have a full, uninterrupted two-week run-in to the KK game, then that will galvanise players both for the next couple of weeks, but also for next year.

Moreover, if there is a fine, then Durrow should take that fine, and Ballinamere should offer to pay it for them.

If on the other hand it's the Ballinamere management driving this, then that will push a wedge between the clubs, and that's not good. It's not their call to make, their only line has to be that the players are grown men, and that training will take place and it's up to the dual players to come to whatever arrangement they want to come to with Durrow.

Speaking as a bookie, if I'm pricing this hurling quarter-final and Durrow have willingly stepped aside, I'm giving Ballinamere a decent chance. If I'm pricing it and I know for certain that Niall Rigney (or whoever) has laid the law down, then I'm giving them no chance, because there will be some resentment there.
Afew valid points made here, But reading the article that has just been posted by corrigan it seems as both clubs are not working and looks to be one way traffic. Word has that Durrow management gave the hurlers a week off before the birr game and called no trainings but this has not been given back.

Durrow has official given a walkover this morning which is not nice to see. It is clear the two clubs are not working and maybe its time the went there sperate ways as i can only imagine this will put a huge wedge between them as stated above.

If this is the case that duel players are being told to not blay football this weekend then Duignan as a Durrow club man should have stepped in. Does not reflect well on our ex county chairman.

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I'm not going to get into the speculation aspect of what was said to players by Durrow management, by Ballinamere management, and how much of it came from players themselves. Only those involved know that.

That article by Kevin Corrigan, while fair and reasonable and based on sources within the clubs, does stray into editorialising when it gets to here:
Walkovers just should not be conceded in senior football and hurling, no matter what the stakes are
I'm not as hardline on this matter, for the simple reason that there are times when fielding a team is simply not in a club's interest, and it is unreasonable to expect any club to act against their own interests.

To illustrate what I mean, I go back to something a fellow Ferbane man and a poster on this board said to me the best part of 20 years ago. I don't remember word for word what it was, but it was something along the lines of "you don't have to play every championship as knockout, but losing a game should hurt your chances of winning - a lot".

The problem is when you get into situations where losing a game doesn't make any difference whatsoever.

Now like all things, there is no black and white and there is no right and wrong. Straight knockout championships are great for supporters, but they're not a great deal for players, when by definition, 50% of the players in any given championship will lose their first match and therefore they will be out straight away. The flip side of the coin is that when you put in place round robin systems, particularly that farcical system that was in place last year, you get lots of games, but they don't matter. So every CCC/County board is trying to strike a balance.

I agree that in the interests of giving players a meaningful championship, some element of round robin is worthwhile. Losing one game should not be fatal, and someone qualifying for knockout football/hurling on the back of losing two matches doesn't upset me either. But we have to accept that there is a trade-off, and the trade-off there is that you will occasionally have matches where the result doesn't matter to one or both teams.

Now I agree with Kevin Corrigan that giving walkovers is undesirable, and clubs should try to field teams. However sometimes you cross the line into territory where a club fielding a team is maybe good for competition integrity, but it hurts that club. This is one obvious example, where if Durrow were to field a team, their options were to field a load of senior hurlers and thus damage Ballinamere's chances of beating KK, potentially fatally so if Daniel Bourke, Ciarán Burke, Brian Duignan or someone like that picked up an injury. Or, they had option two, pull up a whole load of junior footballers to make up the numbers, which would be doubly harmful as it would both expose those players to taking on Rhode seniors where they would be blown out of the water in a needlessly humiliating experience, and it would also mean that a huge amount of players from their second team would now be graded senior. So assuming they've used around 20 lads so far, that might mean they finish the year with 27 or 28 players graded senior, of which only six (I think) could be regraded back down for 2026. So one or two guys, by togging out, would then be unable to play junior football next year as there wouldn't be enough regrades to go around.

I think we can all agree that either of these scenarios are bad for the Durrow club, whereas a walkover does them no meaningful harm at all.

There are other scenarios. I remember Tullamore giving a walkover in the first round of a group game, maybe their senior or maybe their intermediates, can't recall which, because they had a glut of injury and J1 related absences, most of which would be back for R2. They had little or no chance of winning without these players, and calling up a load of guys from the level below that would cripple their ability to field a third team, and would mean that all those players called up would be done for the year, and for what?

Going further back, I remember a scenario from a long time back before where in the SFC, you had a final round game between a club that had topped the group already with a game to spare, taking on a side that was fighting to avoid relegation, and this was a club that at the time was noted for their tendency to bring a tent, look at the line between hard physical football and dirty, dangerous play, cross that line and set up camp on the far side of it. I remember thinking at the time that if I was the manager of that senior club that was already qualified, the risk of injury and suspension from playing in this game was incredibly high, to the point that I genuinely would have considered conceding a walkover.

Then you have games that are just "what's the point" all round? Tullamore vs Clonbullogue this week is the obvious example. Clonbullogue I'm sure would just like to be done for the year, and Tullamore would be much better served getting a good challenge game down against another elite team than taking on a side that will go through the motions.

The culture of not giving walkovers is firmly engrained and that's why it happens so rarely, but I do think on the general point, we should accept that it's a price to pay for having round robin systems, and that when things fall in such a way that clubs would be acting against their best interests by fielding a team, castigating them for not doing so is unreasonable.
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As there is no relegation you are going to have these scenarios and even with it you will.
As LS has said, Durrow when beaten by Ballycommon had nothing to play for.
In the clubs involved , Durrow and Ballinamere have to move on and no point in splitting, but how they progress needs to be looked at. Even though there was only 4 points in it with them and Ballycommon, they should be doing better, (it was a hammering once Ballycommon got motoring.)
Offaly football needs contributions from there and whilst good lads, some of the lads that have been on recent Offaly senior panels are not good enough to step up to the first 15.

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The reality is that Durrow's season has been over for a while now, so, understandably, players are going to focus on a competition that they have aspirations of winning. To those focused on the hurling, fulfilling the fixture would be nice, but not as nice as letting the hurlers get an uninterrupted weekend, which may even involve playing a challenge game.

To those whose focus is on football and the legacy of the club, it is going to be seen as wrong not to complete a Senior A fixture. While they might be sympathetic to the plight, they are not going to agree with the decision.

Side note - Durrow's junior results this year also indicate that all is not well in the football side this year. Taking 3 hammerings in Junior A is not good for a senior club's second team.

The decision to forfeit the fixture, puts extra emphasis on the result next week. Win and it will be justified , lose and it will start further debate.

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