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Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 5:49 pm
by oneshot
what i have notice about the throw ball watching offaly and other team's in the joe mcdonagh cup hurling the last three year's the refs blow for it every time outside of the all ireland championship . but let it go in the munster and leinster championships .Limerick have it down to a fine art over the year's .
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 8:00 pm
by flairgun
Plain of the Herbs wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:02 pm
... the solution proposed by O’Donovan (who incidentally came to Nenagh from Limerick, with whom he hurled Minor) is not practical. A hurler, surrounded by two opposing hurlers and hemmed in on the sideline and needing to release the ball has no hope of either hopping the ball of the hurl and passing with the other hand, or of switching grip. His only option is to drop the ball and create a ruck. That’s ridiculous....
I'd tend to agree that the problem is a bit overstated, though I personally might prefer a little less handpassing.
But in relation to the above, I'm unconvinced this solution is as ridiculous as you say. It would be different and would require a change in both how defenders and ball carriers operate, but I don't think necessarily for the worse.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:31 pm
by Bord na Mona man
The crux is that lots of people think there is too much handpassing, never mind too much illegal handpassing.
By focusing on the technique, they're trying to find ways to make it a less attractive option.
In football, the 'too much handpassing' crusade has had a three-decade head start.
Remember early in the 2010 championship where there was a clampdown on supposed illegal handpasses.
Referees had to penalise a handpass where the ball-holding hand moved in the direction of where the ball went. As usual it was early round fodder like Offaly who were subject to this when we played Meath in the Leinster opener.
It was inconsistent, daft frees given, actual breaches ignored and basically unworkable, so was abandoned by the time the championship got going.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:44 pm
by SearingDrive
Bord na Mona man wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:31 pm
The crux is that lots of people think there is too much handpassing, never mind too much illegal handpassing.
By focusing on the technique, they're trying to find ways to make it a less attractive option.
In football, the 'too much handpassing' crusade has had a three-decade head start.
Remember early in the 2010 championship where there was a clampdown on supposed illegal handpasses.
Referees had to penalise a handpass where the ball-holding hand moved in the direction of where the ball went. As usual it was early round fodder like Offaly who were subject to this when we played Meath in the Leinster opener.
It was inconsistent, daft frees given, actual breaches ignored and basically unworkable, so was abandoned by the time the championship got going.
The new rules in football, were usually tried out in the early stages of the championship involving the lesser lights, before a different standard applied to games involving the ‘genuine championship contenders’.
I recall a new set of football rules applied strictlyin a Leinster first round game, between Westmeath v Carlow. The resulting outcry saw the initial new rules, quietly ignored for the later rounds of the championship, when the pesky minnows had exited the provincial competition.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 11:45 am
by Plain of the Herbs
While we're discussing blights on hurling, something that is unsightly and should cease is the practice of passing the ball by tapping it on the hurl to lay it off to another player. Usually effected by a lad who can't handpass off both hands.
Now I don't propose banning it by legislation. That would be stupid. But lads should be comfortable handpassing off both slides. Handpassing is more accurate anyway.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:03 pm
by faithfulfanatic
Think they could really do with cleaning up around the throw ball.
Ref is throwing the ball in because there has been a stalemate ruck, but they don’t clear the other players away anymore, which just results in another ruck forming.
Refs are now tossing in the ball immediately no matter who is in front of them.
Start dishing out yellows or an indirect free until everyone bar the 2 players are back a sufficient distance.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:49 pm
by Plain of the Herbs
The referee that holds up a whole game until all bar two players retreat 13 metres from the site of a throw in won't be seen with a whistle again.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:21 am
by Plain of the Herbs
So let me get this straight. A forward soloing towards goal, 20 metres out, right handed hurler so ball in his left hand, has a 2 v 1, support runner is on his right shoulder, and he is to be prohibited from laying off the pass with his left hand and instead has to use his right hand!
Awkward!
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:07 pm
by Plain of the Herbs
Motion failed. 67.6% voted against.
Somebody check in on Tipperary and see if they're alright.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:54 pm
by Hasselhoff
At this stage, they should nearly let everyone throw the ball. It's so commonplace.
Maybe that's what's happening anyway
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:34 pm
by private joker
It has ruined the game and hurling will be 2nd best as a spectacle vs the football.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:20 pm
by Plain of the Herbs
Ah don't worry Joker. The sum will come up tomorrow.
Nothing wrong with the rules as they are, they only need to be enforced.
private joker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:34 pm
It has ruined the game and hurling will be 2nd best as a spectacle vs the football.
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:10 pm
by frankthetank
Were Offaly awarded 3 frees tonight for illegal Dublin handpasses?
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:50 pm
by private joker
I think it was 2. Out of the 20 plus throws two were pulled. (By both teams)
Re: The Throwing problem in hurling
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:02 pm
by Bord na Mona man
The ref penalised some Dubs for throwing it this evening, but they don't seem happy about it.