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jimbob17 wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:17 am You'd be sickened if from Ballycommon after that today. Only watched on TV and while the referee was harsh enough on them with a couple of very soft frees given against them, they really have to look at themselves too. They were streets ahead of Shamrocks in every respect in first half and chunk of second half too but didnt put it on scoreboard. They went into their shell then inviting Shamrocks on and played with fear in second half of second half and allowed Shamrocks back in to draw before pushing on again in ET. And then, when they should have wrapped it up, they needlessly turned ball over by risking a needless pass after they had killed the clock effectively for over a minute keeping good possession at the end of ET. They had it won, just needed a few more seconds of patience and then had a brain fart by needlessly kicking ball away - leaving Shamrocks with a final chance that to be honest, should have been buried in net when offered up the way it was with terrible defending. Maybe they got over excited and their inexperience at this level didnt help them as they failed to manage the game effectively when in winning positions. It was a game that Ballycommon left behind them and will now likely be in a tough relegation final after drawing Rhode in play off - a huge price to pay.

Nigel Dunne was immense today and Shamrocks have a lot to thank him for. They'd be a very average senior B team without him in the team. J Bryant showed flashes of good things but hasnt reached the levels he promised some years ago yet and has a bit to go to be inter county senior football regular. Scott Delaney and Shane O Toole were massive for them and O Tooles showing after introduction will surely see him start the semi final. They wont fear Ferbane having beaten them already but id feel the writing is on wall for them after today, when they should have been beaten. Their forwards dont threaten much outside of Dunne and Bryant and their half forward line didnt function and were very poor today until the last 15 mins on the introduction of a few subs and they'll need to address that to be competitive against Ferbane. The penalties were very entertaining and both goalies did very well. The organisation for Rhode Ferbane game however was grossly unfair on those players and they should have been given a later throw in in event of ET.

Clubs really need to look at who they are putting forward to represent them as the delegates for co board meetings. The competition is farcical in its structure and the delegates are responsible for this. Rhode are now in relegation semi final after coming second in group. Shamrocks could have been too after topping their group, had they lost today. It is pure farcical. There was no point in playing any of those group games to be honest.
Durrow looked the poorest of the 4 teams I saw over the weekend. They kept passing the ball around, even when 6 points behind. No attempt to shoot for a score.
Ferbane put out Rhode, who have reached the end of the road in football terms for a while.

Tullamore are favourites, but if Edenderry play to their full abilities, they could be finalists. Ferbane should account for Shamrocks, but I could be wrong.

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Good to see the county board have come to their senses and put on a Senior semi final double header in OCP next Sunday.

Should be a good crowd.

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With matches been streamed on clubber and plenty of people watching it on dodgy box’s down in the pubs and at home this is another factor in low attendances . The pricing of tickets too . Like 12-14 euro is plenty for double header not 18 euro like last week. The season pass is the only way to go if you attend matches regularly. They used to do weekend tickets which were a great idea but they are long gone .

As for the games last weekend
Durrow were very poor and the interest will be gone in the football and could very well get relegated . Tullamore could afford to leave a few regulars on the bench and still win. Tullamore didn’t really break a sweat

Edenderry were pushed hard fair play to Bracknagh they just ran outta steam and their bench didn’t have much of an impact .
Colm Byrne’s shoulder injury will be a big loss for them along with mark Abbott out long term too. But they won’t fear Tullamore

Ballycommon threw it away and have nobody to blame only themselves the local press going on abouta minute extra . When the point was scored it was 16 seconds over the minute and in that minute Scott Delaney was fouled so ref well within his rights to let shamrocks play. No sympathy for Ballycommon

Rhode and Ferbane was cagey thought Ferbane should have won by more.
What a team and club Rhode have been but it’s looking like time is catching up on them and they talent coming thru the last few yrs won’t have them competing for a few yrs anyway . But they have been written off before

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Regards Senior B,

Didn't make the Clonbullogue game or Clara game. Reckon though that both of these are favourites to reach the final.
Daingean were a lot better than Ballycumber but allowed them back into the game and they will be thrilled to get over the line in the end and avoid the dreaded relegation playoff. Wasn't a 6 point game and Ballycumber were very close to getting the win.
Cappincur have work to do and were very dependent on Ger Treacy. Bill Carroll gove flashes of what he can do. T'Island battled hard and Willie Mulhall showed some great touches but in the end Cappincur pulled away and are deserving winners.

Clara did well to get through when losing the man but I think they had a decent lead at haltime to see them over the line.

Croghan and Ballinagar will be tasty in Intermediate.

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I think the two senior semi finals on Sunday will be very one sided,
Tullamore by 6
Ferbane by 8

Clara and Daingean to prevail in senior b

Intermediate Raheen and Ballinagar to win their semi finals

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What a farce this has become. You cannot start a competition and change the rules in the middle of it. You'd have to question the CCC on this. It is a joke and beyond ridiculous. By all means bring in the changes, but bring them in for 2026 with clear knowledge of what rules will be for 2025 for all competing around relegation etc. The way this is being done is showing up as pure incompetence. Very unfair on all involved to just change rules mid competition and should be voted down in my opinion - not because it is a bad idea, but because it needs to be delayed by a year if they decide to bring it in.

Clubs really need to look at who they are sending in to represent them on these boards and whoever makes these proposals should look at it from players perspective. Likes of Ballycommon go out of championship and then think they are playing Rhode in relegation (who should not be in a relegation semi after winning 2 group games), and then they are changing rule mid competition meaning relegation semis either wont happen or will happen with no relegation final. It makes a pure laughing stock of senior championship.

As for a 6 team senior B and a 8 team Intermediate proposal, what a joke. Whoever is responsible for this should be moved sideways. Why cant they just go 8 or 10 teams in senior B and get more up at higher level. :roll: :roll: :roll:

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/gaa/1 ... -2025.html
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jimbob17 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:01 pm What a farce this has become. You cannot start a competition and change the rules in the middle of it. You'd have to question the CCC on this. It is a joke and beyond ridiculous. By all means bring in the changes, but bring them in for 2026 with clear knowledge of what rules will be for 2025 for all competing around relegation etc. The way this is being done is showing up as pure incompetence. Very unfair on all involved to just change rules mid competition and should be voted down in my opinion - not because it is a bad idea, but because it needs to be delayed by a year if they decide to bring it in.

Clubs really need to look at who they are sending in to represent them on these boards and whoever makes these proposals should look at it from players perspective. Likes of Ballycommon go out of championship and then think they are playing Rhode in relegation (who should not be in a relegation semi after winning 2 group games), and then they are changing rule mid competition meaning relegation semis either wont happen or will happen with no relegation final. It makes a pure laughing stock of senior championship.

As for a 6 team senior B and a 8 team Intermediate proposal, what a joke. Whoever is responsible for this should be moved sideways. Why cant they just go 8 or 10 teams in senior B and get more up at higher level. :roll: :roll: :roll:

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/gaa/1 ... -2025.html
A change away from this year’s format is welcome and 10 teams works a little better than 8 as you have a strong incentive to win your group and be guaranteed a semi and separated from the other group winner.

2v3 in the QF’s makes sense but why don’t they have 4v5 in relegation semis instead of just eliminating 4? Would give all teams a guaranteed 5 games and 6/10 would have 6 games.

While it makes an even bigger mockery of this year’s format to let it be know there is no relegation before the relegation semis have even taken place (the extra games were the reason for this format but now these games are pointless) I wouldn’t agree with holding off on changing formats until 2026.

The sooner this format is consigned to the dustbin of history the better.

Good to see promotion and relegation will apply in the league, should put a bit more competitiveness into games and also good to see my suggestion of one home and one away game in hurling being introduced.

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To be honest the snr football championship is about as exciting Eamon Ryan's book of excuses
Things have to change but mid championship decision is bonkers
Any word on when the U20 championship will be run?
Junior championship needs sorting out. Bring it up to one level some good players at that
Level and try enhance it so can be spread to the south of the county .
Even a amalgamation team .

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Anonymous1 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:13 pm
jimbob17 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:01 pm What a farce this has become. You cannot start a competition and change the rules in the middle of it. You'd have to question the CCC on this. It is a joke and beyond ridiculous. By all means bring in the changes, but bring them in for 2026 with clear knowledge of what rules will be for 2025 for all competing around relegation etc. The way this is being done is showing up as pure incompetence. Very unfair on all involved to just change rules mid competition and should be voted down in my opinion - not because it is a bad idea, but because it needs to be delayed by a year if they decide to bring it in.

Clubs really need to look at who they are sending in to represent them on these boards and whoever makes these proposals should look at it from players perspective. Likes of Ballycommon go out of championship and then think they are playing Rhode in relegation (who should not be in a relegation semi after winning 2 group games), and then they are changing rule mid competition meaning relegation semis either wont happen or will happen with no relegation final. It makes a pure laughing stock of senior championship.

As for a 6 team senior B and a 8 team Intermediate proposal, what a joke. Whoever is responsible for this should be moved sideways. Why cant they just go 8 or 10 teams in senior B and get more up at higher level. :roll: :roll: :roll:

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/gaa/1 ... -2025.html
A change away from this year’s format is welcome and 10 teams works a little better than 8 as you have a strong incentive to win your group and be guaranteed a semi and separated from the other group winner.

2v3 in the QF’s makes sense but why don’t they have 4v5 in relegation semis instead of just eliminating 4? Would give all teams a guaranteed 5 games and 6/10 would have 6 games.

While it makes an even bigger mockery of this year’s format to let it be know there is no relegation before the relegation semis have even taken place (the extra games were the reason for this format but now these games are pointless) I wouldn’t agree with holding off on changing formats until 2026.

The sooner this format is consigned to the dustbin of history the better.

Good to see promotion and relegation will apply in the league, should put a bit more competitiveness into games and also good to see my suggestion of one home and one away game in hurling being introduced.
Nothing against new format per se and it will be way better than this years format but what is wrong is the rule changes for this year mid championship. What would be wrong with leaving two groups of 4 next year with bottom team in group bowing out with 3 from 4 going through to knockout - and have the top two from senior b next year coming up to form a 10 team competition in 2026. I just dont think it is right or fair to change rules mid competition.
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jimbob17 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:45 pm
Anonymous1 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:13 pm
jimbob17 wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:01 pm What a farce this has become. You cannot start a competition and change the rules in the middle of it. You'd have to question the CCC on this. It is a joke and beyond ridiculous. By all means bring in the changes, but bring them in for 2026 with clear knowledge of what rules will be for 2025 for all competing around relegation etc. The way this is being done is showing up as pure incompetence. Very unfair on all involved to just change rules mid competition and should be voted down in my opinion - not because it is a bad idea, but because it needs to be delayed by a year if they decide to bring it in.

Clubs really need to look at who they are sending in to represent them on these boards and whoever makes these proposals should look at it from players perspective. Likes of Ballycommon go out of championship and then think they are playing Rhode in relegation (who should not be in a relegation semi after winning 2 group games), and then they are changing rule mid competition meaning relegation semis either wont happen or will happen with no relegation final. It makes a pure laughing stock of senior championship.

As for a 6 team senior B and a 8 team Intermediate proposal, what a joke. Whoever is responsible for this should be moved sideways. Why cant they just go 8 or 10 teams in senior B and get more up at higher level. :roll: :roll: :roll:

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/gaa/1 ... -2025.html
A change away from this year’s format is welcome and 10 teams works a little better than 8 as you have a strong incentive to win your group and be guaranteed a semi and separated from the other group winner.

2v3 in the QF’s makes sense but why don’t they have 4v5 in relegation semis instead of just eliminating 4? Would give all teams a guaranteed 5 games and 6/10 would have 6 games.

While it makes an even bigger mockery of this year’s format to let it be know there is no relegation before the relegation semis have even taken place (the extra games were the reason for this format but now these games are pointless) I wouldn’t agree with holding off on changing formats until 2026.

The sooner this format is consigned to the dustbin of history the better.

Good to see promotion and relegation will apply in the league, should put a bit more competitiveness into games and also good to see my suggestion of one home and one away game in hurling being introduced.
Nothing against new format per se and it will be way better than this years format but what is wrong is the rule changes for this year mid championship. What would be wrong with leaving two groups of 4 next year with bottom team in group bowing out with 3 from 4 going through to knockout - and have the top two from senior b next year coming up to form a 10 team competition in 2026. I just dont think it is right or fair to change rules mid competition.
Why not just have semi finals for the top 4 teams. No Q/Finals..

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Different ways of doing it. I would increase to 10 teams as proposed but I'd do it for 2026 so that everyone entering champ in 2025 knows what is at stake re relegation / promotion etc. Like I said, you cannot change the rules of competition in middle of competition as they are looking to vote on this year if reported correctly by K Corrigan in paper.

I'd have 2 groups of 5 - with top team in group into semi. Next two teams into q-finals. 4th team is in limbo while the 5th team in each group would play a relegation final. That would mean one team gets 4 champ games and 4 out of 5 teams would get at least 5 meaningful championship games with something at stake.

I would seed the previous years finalists as top seeds in each group and open draw after that.

I'd have the 4 semi finalists from Inter in 2025 come up to form a 10 team senior B with the 6 senior B teams left - with similar rules. You could form another 10 team Inter competition and a Junior then behind that with what is left.

I would start league at end of February and run through to early mid June for league finals with relegation and promotion and all league finals being played in OCP. Mid June to Mid July would be free with championship starting mid July. That way, you'd be at q-final stage by mid Sep and Co final for mid October, giving 2 or 3 weeks into Leinster champ first round.
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whats wrong with 2 groups of 4? top into semi 2v3 3v2 quarters bottom 2 relegation play off. every team gets at least 4 meaningful games. 10 teams might dilute the quality further.

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Couple of things here. Firstly, in principle I agree with the idea that you shouldn't change rules mid-stream, but equally, I think we can all accept that this current format is utterly, utterly dreadful. The senior football championship has made for dreadful viewing as a rule so far, and it's doing no-one any favours. If Raheen win the IFC (as is very possible, I expect them to make the final anyway), then that will be what everyone was afraid of - a team winning the championship after losing all their group games.

Secondly, on the point about the dilution of quality - there's probably something in that, but there's a bigger picture to consider.

Look at the national intercounty scene, and what has happened since we've gone from Division 1A/2A/1B/2B to Divisions 1/2/3/4. The best teams have moved further and further away from the chasing pack, because they play each other the whole time, and the teams beneath don't get exposed to that standard. It seems like there is a bit of a levelling off of standards going on at the moment, but even so, real upsets have become incredibly rare.

Likewise in Offaly, it's gone very stale. If Sunday's games go as expected, then this will be the seventh year in succession that a county final will be contested by two clubs out of Tullamore, Rhode and Ferbane. Add in Edenderry and Clara, and you've every final back to 2007 covered. That's the kind of stuff you expect from the Mayo or Fermanagh Hurling championship, not a county that takes football seriously.

I'm not saying that promoting more teams will fix that, but it can't hurt. Clara yo-yoing up and down is no good for Offaly since they're too big of a town not to contribute much more to our intercounty teams. Gracefield falling off a cliff is desperate situation, and a lot of players on the Offaly side of the river in Portarlington are being lost on account of it. And if a team like Bracknagh, Ballycommon or Cappincur has a good group of players and they're capable of getting up to senior level, then it would be better if they had more games that they could win, rather than the likes of Ballycommon, who after this weekend will have played four SFC games this Summer, three of them against either Tullamore or Rhode.

I'm not saying ten teams is the silver bullet, but something has to change. And putting a little bit more importance back on our group games, as well as opening up the championship to a few more teams, looks like it's worth trying IMHO.
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Lone Shark wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:02 pm Couple of things here. Firstly, in principle I agree with the idea that you shouldn't change rules mid-stream, but equally, I think we can all accept that this current format is utterly, utterly dreadful. The senior football championship has made for dreadful viewing as a rule so far, and it's doing no-one any favours. If Raheen win the IFC (as is very possible, I expect them to make the final anyway), then that will be what everyone was afraid of - a team winning the championship after losing all their group games.

Secondly, on the point about the dilution of quality - there's probably something in that, but there's a bigger picture to consider.

Look at the national intercounty scene, and what has happened since we've gone from Division 1A/2A/1B/2B to Divisions 1/2/3/4. The best teams have moved further and further away from the chasing pack, because they play each other the whole time, and the teams beneath don't get exposed to that standard. It seems like there is a bit of a levelling off of standards going on at the moment, but even so, real upsets have become incredibly rare.

Likewise in Offaly, it's gone very stale. If Sunday's games go as expected, then this will be the seventh year in succession that a county final will be contested by two clubs out of Tullamore, Rhode and Ferbane. Add in Edenderry and Clara, and you've every final back to 2007 covered. That's the kind of stuff you expect from the Mayo or Fermanagh Hurling championship, not a county that takes football seriously.

I'm not saying that promoting more teams will fix that, but it can't hurt. Clara yo-yoing up and down is no good for Offaly since they're too big of a town not to contribute much more to our intercounty teams. Gracefield falling off a cliff is desperate situation, and a lot of players on the Offaly side of the river in Portarlington are being lost on account of it. And if a team like Bracknagh, Ballycommon or Cappincur has a good group of players and they're capable of getting up to senior level, then it would be better if they had more games that they could win, rather than the likes of Ballycommon, who after this weekend will have played four SFC games this Summer, three of them against either Tullamore or Rhode.

I'm not saying ten teams is the silver bullet, but something has to change. And putting a little bit more importance back on our group games, as well as opening up the championship to a few more teams, looks like it's worth trying IMHO.
Well said Kevin - fully concur with that.
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Number of things:

8 at Senior is really too few and at least there is a carrot for clubs to strive to get from Intermediate up in the new structure.
Senior B with 6 will be a transition point for clubs on the way up or down in the coming years and clibs may work harder to stay in that bracket or move up.
Intermediate is really then the new Junior and a decent level of football.

My concern also is the decline of Pollagh, Rynaghs, Doon , Shannonbridge. Throw in Kilclonfert, Clonmore Harps, Ballyfore, and Gracefield and that around 25% of our clubs in bother. Now 5 clubs operating below Junior really when the Junior level in the county is Intermediate? Throw in Clara and the fact that even if they win the Senior B, they really won't threaten the status quo at senior as hurling has taken over to a large degree and they are not producing the standard of footballer that they did.
it may just be cyclical or may be more a reality of possible decline in West Offaly. No football in the South of the county and falling contiobution in the West.
How can quality players in those crucial areas be nurtured for county beyond minor? I am not talking amalgamations really but there has to be some solution, Parish rule is a challenge and parish teams wont work unless players are exclusive to the parish teams. It is a concern though and one to be aware of.
On the other hand areas like Daingean, Ballycommon, Ballinagar and Raheen have benefited from location and decent underage structure plus coaching, with improvement in Durrow. Bracknagh, Clonbullogue have seen benefits too.

Is it swings or roundabouts or a trend thats emerging.

But back to the point, I agree with LS's view, it is important that a change was made and I think that the suggested change makes sense.
Relegation is happening this year for Senior B and other grades below which arguably has bigger consequences than from Senior A.

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