Offaly U20 Hurlers 2025

[joe123]

At least 6 months recovery time for that type of injury. Not looking good

Where are you pulling that timeframe from?

That's standard recovery time for that type of injury, depends when adam and shane stopped playing/training and started their treatment. Galway match is the 5th of April, they can be rushed back but it's just going to put them back at square one if there not fully recovered. It's a very complicated injury that plagues AFL and GAA players

You haven't a clue.. it varies and as you said yourself its very complicated.. many athletes/players are back within 3 months with no issues, some can be 6 months plus.. I hope we don't rush them back and particularly not for the galway game, we'll be missing the senior starters for that game anyway and will make it hard to win either way and losing it won't be the end of the world, it's not knockout. Great chance to develop more players in competitive games and keep the conveyor belt going.

[hamstrings]

Where are you pulling that timeframe from?

That's standard recovery time for that type of injury, depends when adam and shane stopped playing/training and started their treatment. Galway match is the 5th of April, they can be rushed back but it's just going to put them back at square one if there not fully recovered. It's a very complicated injury that plagues AFL and GAA players

You haven't a clue.. it varies and as you said yourself its very complicated.. many athletes/players are back within 3 months with no issues, some can be 6 months plus.. I hope we don't rush them back and particularly not for the galway game, we'll be missing the senior starters for that game anyway and will make it hard to win either way and losing it won't be the end of the world, it's not knockout. Great chance to develop more players in competitive games and keep the conveyor belt going.

Yes Some players come back after 3 months and are fine however others come back after 3 months and end up getting it again after no length.
depends on how severe the public symphysis is damaged That's why it's best take 6 months to stop it recurring and give yourself a chance whether your ready after 3/4months or not.

[frankthetank]

Where are you pulling that timeframe from?

That's standard recovery time for that type of injury, depends when adam and shane stopped playing/training and started their treatment. Galway match is the 5th of April, they can be rushed back but it's just going to put them back at square one if there not fully recovered. It's a very complicated injury that plagues AFL and GAA players

You haven't a clue.. it varies and as you said yourself its very complicated.. many athletes/players are back within 3 months with no issues, some can be 6 months plus.. I hope we don't rush them back and particularly not for the galway game, we'll be missing the senior starters for that game anyway and will make it hard to win either way and losing it won't be the end of the world, it's not knockout. Great chance to develop more players in competitive games and keep the conveyor belt going.

Jesus man, you are hard work.

We clearly won’t be missing the senior starters for the Galway game. You can keep saying it, you can keep believing it but it’s not going to happen.

Offaly are putting the first round of the Leinster U20 hurling championship as a priority ahead of the Divison 1B league final. And rightly so.

[oneshot]

anyway any word on the rest of the squad it take's more than 2 player's to win a championship. any new comer's standing out that weren't in the minor squad in 2022.

[joe123]

That's standard recovery time for that type of injury, depends when adam and shane stopped playing/training and started their treatment. Galway match is the 5th of April, they can be rushed back but it's just going to put them back at square one if there not fully recovered. It's a very complicated injury that plagues AFL and GAA players

You haven't a clue.. it varies and as you said yourself its very complicated.. many athletes/players are back within 3 months with no issues, some can be 6 months plus.. I hope we don't rush them back and particularly not for the galway game, we'll be missing the senior starters for that game anyway and will make it hard to win either way and losing it won't be the end of the world, it's not knockout. Great chance to develop more players in competitive games and keep the conveyor belt going.

Jesus man, you are hard work.

We clearly won’t be missing the senior starters for the Galway game. You can keep saying it, you can keep believing it but it’s not going to happen.

Offaly are putting the first round of the Leinster U20 hurling championship as a priority ahead of the Divison 1B league final. And rightly so.

Well that will tell us all we need to know about our ambitions in Hurling in this county.. to put a first round leinster championship u20 ahead of a senior league final considering that it's a group in the u20 and everyone qualifies is a joke. The league final represents a chance for us to win a national title at senior level against a very competitive munster team, after where some of the lads have come from they deserve that.. its also a chance for us to improve for leinster championship and for us to play as a full team to improve and get those u20 starters a game against top opposition at senior level.. it's a massively important game for Offaly this year after having so few opportunities in the last few years to compete again the best. The number 1 goal is to improve the senior team, and league final is the best opportunity to do that with a full team and particularly the u20s. It be worth 10 u20 games to them lads. It will also give games to other lads at u20 level that will improve them and bring them on and develop them. The job is done at u20 for the senior starters, the goal of u20 is development and winning is a bonus. Number 1 goal is Get the senior team ready for championship and that means having everyone available, it is simply more important.

[joe123]

I'm genuinely trying to get this straight in my head.. some lads here want us to play a senior league final against top quality opposition without a few important starters so that they can play the first round of an underage competition the day before? A competition that starts with a group stage where no one gets knocked out?

[Bord na Mona man]

Offaly got promoted, that's all that matters. If they decided to cancel the league final, or award the title to the winner of Offaly vs Waterford in Dungarvan, it wouldn't bother me.
Years ago they didn't bother having league finals for the lower divisions.
It's about as significant as the 3rd place play off in the FIFA world cup.

[Bord na Mona man]

Waterford won't be overly bothered about a league final anyway. Lads needn't be thinking this will be some sort gladiatorial contest where Offaly get exposed to the 'epic' fury of the much glorified Munster championship.

[private joker]

In fairness, what are the opening rounds of an u20 group game where no one gets knocked out vs a senior national league?.

[Buttons]

Opening round victory against Galway and a follow up against Laois means a direct entry to the semi final on the 14th of may, lose and we come second in group results in a QF on the 5th May and an extra match to worry about.

The biggest problem we have is if the u20s reach the Leinster final on the 21st of May there is Wexford on 17th and final match versus Antrim on the 25th, deprive lads of playing in a Leinster final or let them play 3 games in the week.

Am I right in saying there are only 3 people nailed on both teams, Mahon, Shirley and Ravenhill.

[Lone Shark]

Opening round victory against Galway and a follow up against Laois means a direct entry to the semi final on the 14th of may, lose and we come second in group results in a QF on the 5th May and an extra match to worry about.

The biggest problem we have is if the u20s reach the Leinster final on the 21st of May there is Wexford on 17th and final match versus Antrim on the 25th, deprive lads of playing in a Leinster final or let them play 3 games in the week.

Am I right in saying there are only 3 people nailed on both teams, Mahon, Shirley and Ravenhill.

Let's not forget that this is the same Laois crop that reached the Leinster minor final against us three years ago, beating Kilkenny on the way. They're not in this to make up the numbers, they'll feel that they can be competitive too. So while this idea that Offaly will "rest" our best U-20s for the group games is farcical in any circumstance, the idea that if we start slowly, we could also end up playing a preliminary QF on April 23rd (smack back in between the Dublin and Galway games) can't be ruled out either.

Given the level of crossover with the seniors and the value of bypassing those two extra rounds of U-20 knockout, there will be no stone unturned in trying to win the Galway and Laois games.

And as for the three lads, you'd have to assume that if he's fit, Adam Screeney goes into that bracket too - though my guess is that it could be the case that there is one spot up front between himself and Dan Ravenhill. Barring injury, I don't think you're dropping any out of Killian Sampson/Oisín Kelly/Brian Duignan/Daniel Bourke on current form, and while he hasn't been at his best yet this year, I don't foresee Charlie Mitchell getting dropped either. And that's before you add Eoghan Cahill and David Nally into the mix.

[joe123]

Opening round victory against Galway and a follow up against Laois means a direct entry to the semi final on the 14th of may, lose and we come second in group results in a QF on the 5th May and an extra match to worry about.

The biggest problem we have is if the u20s reach the Leinster final on the 21st of May there is Wexford on 17th and final match versus Antrim on the 25th, deprive lads of playing in a Leinster final or let them play 3 games in the week.

Am I right in saying there are only 3 people nailed on both teams, Mahon, Shirley and Ravenhill.

60 hour rule means they can't play in all matches.. if u20s reach the Leinster final and they play in that it would rule them out of the 2 senior games.. I'm confused I don't really see the problem.. they aren't being deprived of anything, they will be playing Leinster senior championship a higher level which is their ultimate goal and what any player with any ambition wants.. if u20s reach a semi final on the 14th and the senior lads play that game it would rule them out of the senior match against wexford.. that simply cannot happen.. the simple solution is they play senior, look after the senior team and get the best team and players out and the u20 team will look after itself. Does anyone genuinely think we should play senior match v Wexford and Antrim without the u20 lads?

[Bord na Mona man]

Does anyone genuinely think we should play senior match v Wexford and Antrim without the u20 lads?

Against Wexford, we should not use any U20s.
An U20 knockout game is far more important than a routine Leinster group game, unlikely to be of consequence in staving off relegation.

[Faithfully]

Opening round victory against Galway and a follow up against Laois means a direct entry to the semi final on the 14th of may, lose and we come second in group results in a QF on the 5th May and an extra match to worry about.

The biggest problem we have is if the u20s reach the Leinster final on the 21st of May there is Wexford on 17th and final match versus Antrim on the 25th, deprive lads of playing in a Leinster final or let them play 3 games in the week.

Am I right in saying there are only 3 people nailed on both teams, Mahon, Shirley and Ravenhill.

60 hour rule means they can't play in all matches.. if u20s reach the Leinster final and they play in that it would rule them out of the 2 senior games.. I'm confused I don't really see the problem.. they aren't being deprived of anything, they will be playing Leinster senior championship a higher level which is their ultimate goal and what any player with any ambition wants.. if u20s reach a semi final on the 14th and the senior lads play that game it would rule them out of the senior match against wexford.. that simply cannot happen.. the simple solution is they play senior, look after the senior team and get the best team and players out and the u20 team will look after itself. Does anyone genuinely think we should play senior match v Wexford and Antrim without the u20 lads?

Playing a match on Wednesday night does not preclude them from playing a match on Saturday. Unless Leinster Council take the bold step of scheduling the Leinster Senior Championship match for 7am on a Saturday morning.

[joe123]

Does anyone genuinely think we should play senior match v Wexford and Antrim without the u20 lads?

Against Wexford, we should not use any U20s.
An U20 knockout game is far more important than a routine Leinster group game, unlikely to be of consequence in staving off relegation.

Obviously a piss take and you're winding me up?