Offaly Senior Footballers 2024

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biffinbanner wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 10:47 pm i feel we have been getting rid of managers too fast over the last 20 years since paul o kelly really. are we too expectant of mangers? you cant be blaming managers for player non performance. our u20s dont seem to be progressing as we had hoped for .a lot due to injury and many due to physicality. im sure niall macnamee would be top class no matter how incompetent a manger was over him? if the players are not there its hard to expect a manager to wave a migic wand.


There’s no point talking about what happened in the past.

The question we need to ask is whether or not Kelly is the best person to lead Offaly football for the next 3-4 years and in my opinion he isn’t.

With a deeper panel this year than last, no players leaving to go travelling and no emotional hangover as there was last year following Liam’s sad passing, two defeats by 14 and 8 points respectively against division 4 opposition is unacceptable.

We’ve only won three games all year, two of which were against relegated division 3 teams and the Limerick one was by the bare minimum. The other was against division 4 opposition who had a man sent off after 15 minutes.

We’ve not won a game against any team above us, that’s a damning indictment for any manager.

The consensus last year was that the players had given up on Martin Murphy in the Tailteann Cup and for that reason it was best to move on.

Yet a quick glance at the results of both managers through 11 games shows Murphy in a much better light than Kelly.

We also finished higher in the league last year, won an extra championship game and very nearly won a third and at least got out of our Tailteann group.

So my question to the Kelly loyalists still holding out is why was Murphy not worth keeping on but Kelly is? (and don’t mention an U20 title that’ll be 4 years in the rear view mirror by the start of next season)

Murphy - P11; 5W, 5L, 1D

Cavan - L
Longford - W
Tipperary - W
Down - L
Meath - W
Longford - W
Louth - L (AET)
London W
Laois - D
Cavan - L
Wexford -L


Kelly - P11; 3W, 7L, 1D

Westmeath - L
Antrim - L
Clare - L
Down - L
Wicklow - W
Sligo - D
Limerick - W
Laois - W
Dublin - L
London - L
Limerick - L

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Re: Offaly Senior Footballers 2024

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biffinbanner wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 10:47 pm i feel we have been getting rid of managers too fast over the last 20 years since paul o kelly really. are we too expectant of mangers? you cant be blaming managers for player non performance. our u20s dont seem to be progressing as we had hoped for .a lot due to injury and many due to physicality. im sure niall macnamee would be top class no matter how incompetent a manger was over him? if the players are not there its hard to expect a manager to wave a migic wand.
I've heard a fair bit of this type of argument, including one prominent podcast where the defeat to London was explained away as Offaly's expectations being too high, and a failure to accept our standing in the overall pecking order.

Defeats like the one in Rathkeale this weekend and against London a week ago are spectacularly worse than anything we've experienced in the last 70 odd years, at least. Nobody's castigating this team for failing to get promotion from D3, or even for the difficult afternoon in Croke Park against Dublin. Expecting more than that, might be unrealistic.

Expecting us to at least go close in Tailteann cup games against London and Limerick is not unrealistic. In fact, younger people might air the phrase "the bar is on the floor" if that's all we feel is reasonable to hope for out of an Offaly football team.

We have been consistently a mid-table Division Three county for a long time now, and there are fewer key absentees from the panel than usual (by which I mean players that were unavailable for selection). Would Paddy Dunican be a welcome addition to the panel, or John Moloney? Yep, absolutely. There's probably a couple of others that might push for places if they were available as well, while at least four or five of the current senior hurling panel would be very capable footballers.

BUT - Offaly ALWAYS have to deal with a few cases of 'thanks, but no thanks'. I can't remember the last time you couldn't point to at least one or two players that would have been a boost to the cause, but they chose to do other things rather than play intercounty football at the time. In the main, Declan Kelly is picking from the best of what's out there, and the big players that aren't there, are missing because he doesn't want them - as is his prerogative, of course.

Have Offaly historically struggled with "backdoor" competitions? Hell yeah, and when you add in the trauma of Liam Kearns' death slowly catching up with players last year, not to mention the emotional energy expended in that remarkable Leinster semi-final against Louth, I personally found it very easy to forgive the lacklustre effort in the 2023 Tailteann Cup. I was at the Wexford game last year, I shrugged it off very quickly, and if anything, it felt to me like the players were relieved to be done, so rightly or wrongly, I felt relieved for them. I only spoke to Liam Kearns a few times in my life, mainly when he was here managing Clann, and he was a very impressive figure, very honest and direct, and very likeable for that. I can only imagine what the players would have felt, having worked with a man of that calibre so closely and intensely.

This year, for the first time in a long time, Offaly went out of the Leinster championship at the hands of Dublin, which was a game that even the most optimistic of Offaly footballer would have known that we simply could not win. There was no shock or disappointment to get over, other than the disappointment at losing in the manner in which they did - and even then, there was a couple of weeks to recover. Once we made the slow start to the league and promotion was off the table, everybody - players, management, supporters - knew we were destined for the Tailteann Cup. There was no excuse not to be at least as good as we were in 2023, and probably much better.

And yet our backdoor/Tommy Murphy/Tailteann Cup effort is the worst it's ever been.


I've no problem with the arguments that say Declan Kelly has clearly lost the dressing room and needs to go, and there is merit to them. I've no problem with the argument that he's an All-Ireland winner, he's one of our own, and how he has started slowly in a lot of his different managerial roles, but he has invariably been successful in the end, so we should show him patience. There's legitimacy in that thinking as well.

But spare me this garbage that we expect too much, or that no Offaly team has embraced the second chance in the last 20 years. We NEVER lost to teams like this, in this fashion, ever before.

I still remember being genuinely disgusted when we lost to Louth in the first year of the backdoor, or when we lost by seven points to Limerick in the Gaelic Grounds ten years later. But that was a Limerick team that lost to Kerry in the Munster final by three points the year before, and who went all the way to the All-Ireland quarter-final (again losing to Kerry) in that year, 2011. It was a Limerick team with Seánie Buckley, Ian Ryan, Ger Collins, and plenty more proper, serious footballers, and I've a strong recollection of Niall McNamee having a nightmare day as well, scoring a point or two but missing a lot of chances. Those defeats look like very strong form when compared to where we are now.


You don't have to agree or disagree that Declan Kelly is the problem, and like all things in life, there's no doubt a few factors involved, things are rarely that black and white. But we should all be able to agree that this is NOT business as usual, and that there is something badly wrong that can't just be explained away by saying we're not as good as we were 20-25 years ago and how we should all make peace with that.

Simply put, we shouldn't be rash and trigger happy, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that we should be demanding answers, and action - of some sort.
Kevin Egan. Signed out of respect for players and all involved with Offaly.

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Horses for courses as the saying goes
Promotion for managers from underage teams
Is a bit like promoting a younger player into the senior squad hit and miss
The season is over a long time till the last week of January 2025 .
A bit of an eye opener.
I still think the county is run poorly we have a good crop of U20 hurlers but the football end
Is still milking that old cow you have to move on .
Hopefully a change of chairman might bring in fresh blood get rid of the yes men and women and really question were Offaly football is going.
At the moment we're like a dog chasing it's tail but not as funny ..
As my next door neighbour god rest his soul said there is always the drink ( if you can afford it ) lol 😂

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Sacking him is probably not the answer either there's no guarantee that the next man to take charge will be any better

At the end of the day declan kelly isn't the one kicking the ball he picks his team and its the team most would say is the strongest

I don't know where we are getting this devine right that we are above all these teams , offaly just about avoided relegation by beating the div 4 team barely

Limerick knew offaly were there for the taking london weren't going to come and lay down and let offaly beat them

Beating meath was the highlight last season of we beat louth it would have definitely been undeserving and lucky, there's no value in a lienster final only Sam maguire entry

When declan kelly won the under 20 there was alot of talk to get him over the seniors he declined alot of people were shocked they wanted this under 20 group to be the core of the senior team

And now they are , now there being called into question and the manager is under fire

On what basis are we challengers for div 3 , Tailteann Cup, or even Sam maguire group series

We are a long way of the pecking order at this stage so exactly what is going to get us into the top 3 of div 3 , or a final of Tailteann

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Was a long drive back from Limerick yesterday.

There’s no denying that this has been Offalys worst year possibly ever football wise at every grade.
I had a little look at the club league tables when I got home last night. Tullamore and Ballycommon are the highest scorers in the Division 1 league after 5 rounds yet ironically there is no forward from either team in the county set up. We know Conor Dunne was asked numerous times to go in but maybe there’s a few more from both those sides.

I definitely believe there are better players out there than are currently on the panel.

The fact DK doesn’t pick players he has a bone with for whatever reason has come back to bite him hard.

His management style over the years has brought him some success, but at what cost.

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ruletheroost wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:17 am Was a long drive back from Limerick yesterday.

There’s no denying that this has been Offalys worst year possibly ever football wise at every grade.
I had a little look at the club league tables when I got home last night. Tullamore and Ballycommon are the highest scorers in the Division 1 league after 5 rounds yet ironically there is no forward from either team in the county set up. We know Conor Dunne was asked numerous times to go in but maybe there’s a few more from both those sides.

I definitely believe there are better players out there than are currently on the panel.

The fact DK doesn’t pick players he has a bone with for whatever reason has come back to bite him hard.

His management style over the years has brought him some success, but at what cost.
Who are the players he has a bone with.? Why? And if you're making an accusation like that give us proof and tell us how you know?

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It’s mid May and the intercounty season is over bar a meaningless match against Down. The players go back to their clubs in the best time of the year to be kicking football and guess when their next competitive match will be?? Mid September!!! As voted by all your clubs, a meaningless round robin in July/august and then knockout from mid Sept. So whoever is manager of the Offaly senior footballers next year is not being helped with lads doing nothing for the next four months.

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allstar2010 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:59 am It’s mid May and the intercounty season is over bar a meaningless match against Down. The players go back to their clubs in the best time of the year to be kicking football and guess when their next competitive match will be?? Mid September!!! As voted by all your clubs, a meaningless round robin in July/august and then knockout from mid Sept. So whoever is manager of the Offaly senior footballers next year is not being helped with lads doing nothing for the next four months.
Every match is competitive and no team goes out and "does nothing " or "doesn't bother" in any match

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joey1001 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:52 am
ruletheroost wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:17 am Was a long drive back from Limerick yesterday.

There’s no denying that this has been Offalys worst year possibly ever football wise at every grade.
I had a little look at the club league tables when I got home last night. Tullamore and Ballycommon are the highest scorers in the Division 1 league after 5 rounds yet ironically there is no forward from either team in the county set up. We know Conor Dunne was asked numerous times to go in but maybe there’s a few more from both those sides.

I definitely believe there are better players out there than are currently on the panel.

The fact DK doesn’t pick players he has a bone with for whatever reason has come back to bite him hard.

His management style over the years has brought him some success, but at what cost.
Who are the players he has a bone with.? Why? And if you're making an accusation like that give us proof and tell us how you know?
Joey someone said it to you here yesterday that your head must be buried in the sand. And it certainly must be. The fact that you don’t know is worrying. Considering the amount you post on here.

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joey1001 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 9:01 am
allstar2010 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:59 am It’s mid May and the intercounty season is over bar a meaningless match against Down. The players go back to their clubs in the best time of the year to be kicking football and guess when their next competitive match will be?? Mid September!!! As voted by all your clubs, a meaningless round robin in July/august and then knockout from mid Sept. So whoever is manager of the Offaly senior footballers next year is not being helped with lads doing nothing for the next four months.
Every match is competitive and no team goes out and "does nothing " or "doesn't bother" in any match
Every match is competitive :lol: :lol:
No it’s not! 4 months of meaningless league games. No wonder standard is so poor.

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ruletheroost wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 9:07 am
joey1001 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:52 am
ruletheroost wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:17 am Was a long drive back from Limerick yesterday.

There’s no denying that this has been Offalys worst year possibly ever football wise at every grade.
I had a little look at the club league tables when I got home last night. Tullamore and Ballycommon are the highest scorers in the Division 1 league after 5 rounds yet ironically there is no forward from either team in the county set up. We know Conor Dunne was asked numerous times to go in but maybe there’s a few more from both those sides.

I definitely believe there are better players out there than are currently on the panel.

The fact DK doesn’t pick players he has a bone with for whatever reason has come back to bite him hard.

His management style over the years has brought him some success, but at what cost.
Who are the players he has a bone with.? Why? And if you're making an accusation like that give us proof and tell us how you know?
Joey someone said it to you here yesterday that your head must be buried in the sand. And it certainly must be. The fact that you don’t know is worrying. Considering the amount you post on here.


Again this is just a personal attack on declan kelly going around saying he had a bone with someone. It's absolutely disgraceful and admin still hadn't stepped in

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No tactics

No analysis

No man management

No connection with the players

No S&C , has lads running around in cappincurr like donkeys before Christmas

No lads over 30

No rhode players , no senior A club players
if at all possible

No talk in the local paper about the players who started last year against Meath in a championship win that he dropped for mediocre club players

No talk in the local paper about how Offaly actually beat London comfortably in the Tailteann cup last year , this second competition that Offaly supposedly disrespect every year

No clue at senior inter county level unfortunately

Players put too much time into inter county set ups to be managed by lads who aren’t up to it for whatever reason

Thanks again for the enjoyable few weeks with the u20 and all the best 👍

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An alarming fact my father and I noticed yesterday as the results mask the performance.
Were has all the pace gone ?
Has the strength and conditioning
Made the players slower or except for the down game second half or style of play .
I find it alarming ..

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joey1001 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:52 am
ruletheroost wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 8:17 am Was a long drive back from Limerick yesterday.

There’s no denying that this has been Offalys worst year possibly ever football wise at every grade.
I had a little look at the club league tables when I got home last night. Tullamore and Ballycommon are the highest scorers in the Division 1 league after 5 rounds yet ironically there is no forward from either team in the county set up. We know Conor Dunne was asked numerous times to go in but maybe there’s a few more from both those sides.

I definitely believe there are better players out there than are currently on the panel.

The fact DK doesn’t pick players he has a bone with for whatever reason has come back to bite him hard.

His management style over the years has brought him some success, but at what cost.
Who are the players he has a bone with.? Why? And if you're making an accusation like that give us proof and tell us how you know?
The likes of Bernard Allen who he dropped before Christmas via phone call for no apparent reason would probably be the answer there.

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At the end of the league I actually thought it wasn’t a bad first season, look at the team that started vs Westmeath to the settled team that ended it and we were going in the right direction. I know there were a few injuries but overall a lot of positives. This carried on into the championship were we easily disposed of Laois and didn’t embarrass ourselves against Dublin.

I don’t know what has happened since, as mentioned I would have 3-4 representatives from the panel discuss exactly what is going on, is there no appetite for the Tailteann cup, grievance against Kelly or what. If there is no grievance against Kelly mentioned then job is fine.

Offaly are a division 3 team, we are closer to a division 4 team than a 2. The problem is consistency.

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