Is TheManFromFerbane "bulking up" at the moment?
He could be what Offaly needs!
The Laois Debacle - the aftermath
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Lone Shark
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I think the point about midfielders would be that even if they are extremely limited, they still could contribute. Certainly we could probably sacrifice one slot to a player that could catch and was willing to get fit, even if they had triangular feet. Clancy is actually not a savage fielder, but he is a decent enough footballer. I don't know if I'd limit it to young players either - an experienced guy might have the savvy to compensate for not being 6'6".
As for Man from Ferbane ......
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Bad combo that.
As for Man from Ferbane ......
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I think I referred to focus in advance of this game, thinking that the team and it's manager had their heads right ........... what a mistake.
Any sort of case I may have put forward in KK's defence, I now withdraw.
If Sundays game can be put behind them then it has still been a year of progress but it could have been better and has potentially been damaged by the management teams actions.
Nothing more to say.
Any sort of case I may have put forward in KK's defence, I now withdraw.
If Sundays game can be put behind them then it has still been a year of progress but it could have been better and has potentially been damaged by the management teams actions.
Nothing more to say.
"The ball may pass, but the man, never."
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Ya'd be safer trying to make a few auld sambo's or something like that for a living! I assume as he's in the US he's gone on the same diet you used yourself AZ, seemed to have been a little over used with you but a proven way to pack on the pounds!
There's a lot to be proud of with Offaly football now, Seniors in a Leinste final, two minor finals in a row and plenty of talent around. We're a little light but that just means that we adapt tactics to use our stronger points. As a small team we need to be very fit, this year we were not. We also need a manager with half a brain - another thing that's missing. Get an outside manager in again, someone with a bit of a name and things could be rolling. I remember in '95 and '96 we had plenty of talent and see what an organized managed did (he was a langer but got a lot out of the team).
selling mens fragrances in SF
Ya'd be safer trying to make a few auld sambo's or something like that for a living! I assume as he's in the US he's gone on the same diet you used yourself AZ, seemed to have been a little over used with you but a proven way to pack on the pounds!
There's a lot to be proud of with Offaly football now, Seniors in a Leinste final, two minor finals in a row and plenty of talent around. We're a little light but that just means that we adapt tactics to use our stronger points. As a small team we need to be very fit, this year we were not. We also need a manager with half a brain - another thing that's missing. Get an outside manager in again, someone with a bit of a name and things could be rolling. I remember in '95 and '96 we had plenty of talent and see what an organized managed did (he was a langer but got a lot out of the team).
The defeat yesterday was pretty comprehensive and on the day we were beaten by a much better team.
Looking forward there are some easy takeawys and some more difficult ones. The easiest of all is the quick fee. Laois needed on average five second to deliver the ball, Offaly needed at least 30 seconds and believed obstinately in waiting for the Laois team to regroup before thinking of kicking.
Maybe this was down to mental alertness which leads me on to the second easy takeway that of watching the ball instead of the man. In the second half when Laois came through in waves most of the spectators had probably figured out the next Laois pass before our players. They ran at the ball in droves leaving free Laois players all over the place. The worst incidence of all was the fourth Laois point with four Offaly players tackling one Laois forward who passed out to an unmarked Quigley for an easy tap over the bar. Nothing that good coaching and preparation can't remedy.
The last of the easies is the lone tactic of playing the ball into the corner forwards. Works great when it works but when it doesn't we end up scoring four points. This is the main reason we kicked so many balls over the sideline yesterday- looking for space in the corners that wasn't there. This is souldestroying for a team. Our forwards need to be able to offer a variety of tactics in case plan A doesn't work. This is a management issue.
One of the more difficult issues from yesterday is the fitness level. For the second game in a row our fitness has been significantly inferior to the opposition. The answer may lie in more scientific trining methods or making Croghan Hill a bit higher but wherever it lies it will take at least a year and probably two to get the fitness level of All Ireland contenders.
Size is also another problem with no easy answer. We need size down the middle for a more balanced look. We have a lot of skilful players but we need to augment this with strength if we are to go on to the next level.
Finally team spirit is currently in short supply. For the second game in a row our players were ready to give up the ghost too early in the game and had way less hunger to win than Laois. Off the pitch this indicates poor management. On the pitch you need at least three or four inspirational players who just by making a catch or a run or a block send a buzz through the crowd and get the whole team going. Currently we hardly seem to have even one who (at least on a consistent basis) can ignite the team.
Looking forward there are some easy takeawys and some more difficult ones. The easiest of all is the quick fee. Laois needed on average five second to deliver the ball, Offaly needed at least 30 seconds and believed obstinately in waiting for the Laois team to regroup before thinking of kicking.
Maybe this was down to mental alertness which leads me on to the second easy takeway that of watching the ball instead of the man. In the second half when Laois came through in waves most of the spectators had probably figured out the next Laois pass before our players. They ran at the ball in droves leaving free Laois players all over the place. The worst incidence of all was the fourth Laois point with four Offaly players tackling one Laois forward who passed out to an unmarked Quigley for an easy tap over the bar. Nothing that good coaching and preparation can't remedy.
The last of the easies is the lone tactic of playing the ball into the corner forwards. Works great when it works but when it doesn't we end up scoring four points. This is the main reason we kicked so many balls over the sideline yesterday- looking for space in the corners that wasn't there. This is souldestroying for a team. Our forwards need to be able to offer a variety of tactics in case plan A doesn't work. This is a management issue.
One of the more difficult issues from yesterday is the fitness level. For the second game in a row our fitness has been significantly inferior to the opposition. The answer may lie in more scientific trining methods or making Croghan Hill a bit higher but wherever it lies it will take at least a year and probably two to get the fitness level of All Ireland contenders.
Size is also another problem with no easy answer. We need size down the middle for a more balanced look. We have a lot of skilful players but we need to augment this with strength if we are to go on to the next level.
Finally team spirit is currently in short supply. For the second game in a row our players were ready to give up the ghost too early in the game and had way less hunger to win than Laois. Off the pitch this indicates poor management. On the pitch you need at least three or four inspirational players who just by making a catch or a run or a block send a buzz through the crowd and get the whole team going. Currently we hardly seem to have even one who (at least on a consistent basis) can ignite the team.
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Rover, for me the answers to the problems you put there are fitness, fitness and fitness. Laois took quick frees because the whole way through the game their running meant that there were easy options quickly to hand. Once we got the ball up past our own 45, it was presumed that the long delivery was coming, so the midfielders and half backs often switched off.
Mental alertness also is a lot easier when you don't have to sink every ounce of strength you have into tracking your marker's run or showing for the ball when you need to. When those things don't require "digging deep" as it were, then your brain can spend that extra split second seeing what's going on around you.
As regards a plan B, yes that had to come from the sideline, but a possessive carrying game is not in our locker. Why? Because we don't have the fitness to support the player in possession in adequate numbers, put simply. I'm not saying that some different strategies couldn't have been used, but a lot of options that a Tyrone or Donegal team would have weren't there for us.
Finally, the four on one example would be fine, because with a fit team the easy passes would still be covered, forcing Laois players to also crowd in around and resulting in a throw up ball or an overcarrying offence. If the roles were reversed, you could be sure that would be the case.
Blaming the players for lack of hunger is harsh to me. They were built up for the Leinster Final, as we all were, and some rebound from that was inevitable - it needed to be dealt with in the 13 days in the mean time. To my mind the stories of the players going drinking the following day were an easy way to blame people - I would have said in that situation that it should be up to the players to do whatever they needed to do to take the stress out of the situation, and meet up again on Tuesday and really exorcise the ghosts, so as to get forward momentum. If there is a six day turnaround there usually isn't time for all that, but there was in this case - so why didn't it happen?
Players should be fitter - and subs should be used when legs start to flag. Altering the game plan should be easily executed, and plans should have been made and worked on in advance. players should be looking forward to a championship game, not looking on it as a chore.
All goes back to the same thing for me. Kilmurray's head, on a stick, with garnish.
Mental alertness also is a lot easier when you don't have to sink every ounce of strength you have into tracking your marker's run or showing for the ball when you need to. When those things don't require "digging deep" as it were, then your brain can spend that extra split second seeing what's going on around you.
As regards a plan B, yes that had to come from the sideline, but a possessive carrying game is not in our locker. Why? Because we don't have the fitness to support the player in possession in adequate numbers, put simply. I'm not saying that some different strategies couldn't have been used, but a lot of options that a Tyrone or Donegal team would have weren't there for us.
Finally, the four on one example would be fine, because with a fit team the easy passes would still be covered, forcing Laois players to also crowd in around and resulting in a throw up ball or an overcarrying offence. If the roles were reversed, you could be sure that would be the case.
Blaming the players for lack of hunger is harsh to me. They were built up for the Leinster Final, as we all were, and some rebound from that was inevitable - it needed to be dealt with in the 13 days in the mean time. To my mind the stories of the players going drinking the following day were an easy way to blame people - I would have said in that situation that it should be up to the players to do whatever they needed to do to take the stress out of the situation, and meet up again on Tuesday and really exorcise the ghosts, so as to get forward momentum. If there is a six day turnaround there usually isn't time for all that, but there was in this case - so why didn't it happen?
Players should be fitter - and subs should be used when legs start to flag. Altering the game plan should be easily executed, and plans should have been made and worked on in advance. players should be looking forward to a championship game, not looking on it as a chore.
All goes back to the same thing for me. Kilmurray's head, on a stick, with garnish.
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Management has to stand up and say we got it wrong, terribly wrong. Why change tactics. We were in qualifier round 4 and had a great chance to get to the last 8, against a poorish Mayo side. Look what Wastemeath did to Galway. Wastemeath are still in the championship after we beating them well in Leinster. Why all the changes. Niall had the beating of his man, but what amount of ball did he receive. James Coughlan should have been in row z on the terrace. Neville is not a midfielder. Where was he for Clancy's goal. Daly (both of them) were poor on the ball. as for kILMURRY, he just stood on the line with his arms folded. Compare that to Micko. We were playing Laois for god sake and we let them make a show of us. A disgrace, a f@@king disgrace.
Disgusted!!!
An absolute disgrace. There can be no hiding from this. Worst defeat ever in my book!
Too many players went missing when the goin got tough. Hopefully they will stay missing over the winter and we can get some players with a bit of pride and heart.
Four measly points, two from play. I hope all those pints ye had last week were worth it.
Shocking to think Westmeath are in a quater final and our lads are back in Portarlington suppin pints.( like they were for the last two weeks, Trust me theres proof, or was it downtown edenderry)
No Professionalism, No Bottle, NO GOOD.
Sad to see all the great progress we made this year be destroyed by such a gutless performance.
ATTENTION Kevin Killmurray ,TAXI FOR ONE OUTSIDE< As Michael Jackson said.. BEAT IT!!
Too many players went missing when the goin got tough. Hopefully they will stay missing over the winter and we can get some players with a bit of pride and heart.
Four measly points, two from play. I hope all those pints ye had last week were worth it.
Shocking to think Westmeath are in a quater final and our lads are back in Portarlington suppin pints.( like they were for the last two weeks, Trust me theres proof, or was it downtown edenderry)
No Professionalism, No Bottle, NO GOOD.
Sad to see all the great progress we made this year be destroyed by such a gutless performance.
ATTENTION Kevin Killmurray ,TAXI FOR ONE OUTSIDE< As Michael Jackson said.. BEAT IT!!
hear hear
Couldnt agree more arbarg,
What a bunch of jokers.
A whole years hard work down the S**T pipe because certain members of the panel couldnt lay off the sauce. Well they got what they deserved. They have the honour for the rest of their lives as bein part of the most gutless display from an Offaly Team in HIstory. (CIARAN McMANUS excluded). I for one was mortified leaving the ground on sunday and I wasnt the only one.
Once again we are the laughing stock of senior football,
"same old offaly", "great men for drinking" "not for the qualifiers".
The simple fact is this,
YES, we have the footballers.
Yes we are bloody good enough,
BUT not until attitudes change.
What a bunch of jokers.
A whole years hard work down the S**T pipe because certain members of the panel couldnt lay off the sauce. Well they got what they deserved. They have the honour for the rest of their lives as bein part of the most gutless display from an Offaly Team in HIstory. (CIARAN McMANUS excluded). I for one was mortified leaving the ground on sunday and I wasnt the only one.
Once again we are the laughing stock of senior football,
"same old offaly", "great men for drinking" "not for the qualifiers".
The simple fact is this,
YES, we have the footballers.
Yes we are bloody good enough,
BUT not until attitudes change.
Re: Disgusted!!!
don't be throwing that word in lads!arbarg wrote: No Professionalism,
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Just a few points about the Offaly football team and apologies if alot of this stuff has been gone over already.
To me the players looked either (a) tired or (b) disinterested. There was no real hunger in trying to take the game to Laois. The plan I presume was to kick the ball into Niall and Deehan and hope that it worked as it had in previous games. Two things about that James Couglan played okay but he was crowding the space and secondly the ball in was terrible.
Niall has been one of the players of the championship but he looked deadlegged on Sunday. There were a number of examples where he just looked plain tired in going for balls, trying to solo it and handpass it off. Again I wouldn't critisize the lad as he has been and willbe great for Offaly but just wonder was there something in the training or were lads just not up for it.
Neville just kicked it away or over the sideline and Daly kicked loopy high passes that look great if the forwards are way out in front but only give defenders the time to get a fist in. Alan Mc lacks the drive he displays for Rhode but he kicks in a great straight ball. I don't think you can fault a midfield for not catching ball as there doesn't seem to be a great fielding midfielder in Offaly BUT you can call players out on not tracking back, kicking poor balls in etc. Quigly scored a few points and Clancy got the goal. When Neville first joined the Offaly team he tucked the ball under his arm and ran by players and I don't understand why he doesn't take the game on more. He was a sprint champion and I'm sure he has it in him.
I think Pascal is Offaly's most talented footballer but wonder if he wouldn't be more effective closer to the goal. I haven't seen Rhode alot this year but he used to be a great man for a score. I felt that while he tried hard Sunday himself and Colm Quinn slowed down the game an awful lot. This gave a fitter Laois team plenty of time to set their defense and get lads back.
Thought the defense performed okay in particular Rafferty but think that Sean Casey should have been given a run. He's a dynamic player, prone to the off day but when he's on form he's a very proactive defender who makes thinks happen in terms of getting a hand in like Froggy, intercepting balls etc our lads seem content to let them get the ball and then try and sheid them away from the goals.
To me the players looked either (a) tired or (b) disinterested. There was no real hunger in trying to take the game to Laois. The plan I presume was to kick the ball into Niall and Deehan and hope that it worked as it had in previous games. Two things about that James Couglan played okay but he was crowding the space and secondly the ball in was terrible.
Niall has been one of the players of the championship but he looked deadlegged on Sunday. There were a number of examples where he just looked plain tired in going for balls, trying to solo it and handpass it off. Again I wouldn't critisize the lad as he has been and willbe great for Offaly but just wonder was there something in the training or were lads just not up for it.
Neville just kicked it away or over the sideline and Daly kicked loopy high passes that look great if the forwards are way out in front but only give defenders the time to get a fist in. Alan Mc lacks the drive he displays for Rhode but he kicks in a great straight ball. I don't think you can fault a midfield for not catching ball as there doesn't seem to be a great fielding midfielder in Offaly BUT you can call players out on not tracking back, kicking poor balls in etc. Quigly scored a few points and Clancy got the goal. When Neville first joined the Offaly team he tucked the ball under his arm and ran by players and I don't understand why he doesn't take the game on more. He was a sprint champion and I'm sure he has it in him.
I think Pascal is Offaly's most talented footballer but wonder if he wouldn't be more effective closer to the goal. I haven't seen Rhode alot this year but he used to be a great man for a score. I felt that while he tried hard Sunday himself and Colm Quinn slowed down the game an awful lot. This gave a fitter Laois team plenty of time to set their defense and get lads back.
Thought the defense performed okay in particular Rafferty but think that Sean Casey should have been given a run. He's a dynamic player, prone to the off day but when he's on form he's a very proactive defender who makes thinks happen in terms of getting a hand in like Froggy, intercepting balls etc our lads seem content to let them get the ball and then try and sheid them away from the goals.
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A little bit of getting carried away going on here. Good post there from Blue and White (welcome aboard by the way - the name reflects Tullamore or Doon allegiance maybe?)
(1) Talk of the worst defeat ever is way out of order. Okay we lost and didn't play well, but these people clearly weren't around during the nineties when we had several contenders for that accolade. Or last year in Carlow either. The truth is we didn't play well, against a side that are certainly among the top seven or eight in Ireland at a conservative estimate, and we lost by eight points. Not good, but hardly the stuff of crisis.
(2) We had no help from the sideline whatsoever - this was worth a good chunk of points to the Leix lads - that must not be forgotten either. Garvan was playing muck - so he went off after 20 minutes. Mark Daly played the whole game when he was equally out of the game.
(3) James Coughlan did his best in the only role he knows. He possibly shouldn't have been picked, but that's not his fault.
(4) Equally Neville. Neville is certainly one of our better players, but he can't burn lads for pace the way he once could it seems, his confidence in front of goals is shot and he was never a dominant fielder of a high ball. In a county with more depth he would have been rested until he found his form again. We picked him at midfield, where he had to cover for an old guy who hadn't trained at the right level for most of the year. That was unfair.
(5) We won no ball, Laois had at least 70% possession, and we conceded 1-9 over seventy minutes - this with a defence short on at least two definite starters in Mooney and Evans. Let's not forget that there is some silver lining here.
(6) Alan McNamee might not be in Darragh Ó'Sé or Sean Cavanagh's league when it comes to midfielders, but as we all know he's so far ahead of the next best in the county it's not funny. He was a huge loss to sustain - that can't be forgotten.
It was a bad defeat, but it wasn't the disgrace we're all making it out to be. The players showed they had talent this year - with an actual manager rather than an observer, they really could achieve something. I for one am very grateful to them for their efforts this year, and won't hold Sunday against them.
(1) Talk of the worst defeat ever is way out of order. Okay we lost and didn't play well, but these people clearly weren't around during the nineties when we had several contenders for that accolade. Or last year in Carlow either. The truth is we didn't play well, against a side that are certainly among the top seven or eight in Ireland at a conservative estimate, and we lost by eight points. Not good, but hardly the stuff of crisis.
(2) We had no help from the sideline whatsoever - this was worth a good chunk of points to the Leix lads - that must not be forgotten either. Garvan was playing muck - so he went off after 20 minutes. Mark Daly played the whole game when he was equally out of the game.
(3) James Coughlan did his best in the only role he knows. He possibly shouldn't have been picked, but that's not his fault.
(4) Equally Neville. Neville is certainly one of our better players, but he can't burn lads for pace the way he once could it seems, his confidence in front of goals is shot and he was never a dominant fielder of a high ball. In a county with more depth he would have been rested until he found his form again. We picked him at midfield, where he had to cover for an old guy who hadn't trained at the right level for most of the year. That was unfair.
(5) We won no ball, Laois had at least 70% possession, and we conceded 1-9 over seventy minutes - this with a defence short on at least two definite starters in Mooney and Evans. Let's not forget that there is some silver lining here.
(6) Alan McNamee might not be in Darragh Ó'Sé or Sean Cavanagh's league when it comes to midfielders, but as we all know he's so far ahead of the next best in the county it's not funny. He was a huge loss to sustain - that can't be forgotten.
It was a bad defeat, but it wasn't the disgrace we're all making it out to be. The players showed they had talent this year - with an actual manager rather than an observer, they really could achieve something. I for one am very grateful to them for their efforts this year, and won't hold Sunday against them.
are you serious
Lone shark,
are ya serious.
This was way worse than Carlow last year.
FOUR points, come on there is no defending that!
are ya serious.
This was way worse than Carlow last year.
FOUR points, come on there is no defending that!
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Last year we took on possibly the worst team in Ireland not including Kilkenny, shot twenty wides and lost. Laois are a bloody good team, whether we want to admit it or not, and good sides could easily come out eight points worse against them if not playing well.
I'm not trying to say it was good, but after last year I really thought we were at a ten year low, and we were. This year is nothing like that.
I'm not trying to say it was good, but after last year I really thought we were at a ten year low, and we were. This year is nothing like that.