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Re: Rule42
Why? For the satisfaction of the campaigner or for your own?jim10 wrote:leave a msg
That decision is made now and I very much doubt there is any chance of it being rolled back (I support the rule change, by the way). The Landsdowne project will go ahead eventually and when it's finished, its tenants will not want to split their home games over two stadia so I dont think we need worry about the long term in that regard.
Move on.
Lansdowne Rd
What about the recent news that the re-developed L Rd will not be designed to accomodate GAA matches? Is this not a huge step backwards for irish sport? Meanwhile the GAA are being urged to get involved in the "Maze" stadium up north?? Surely it would be easier to provide for GAA in a redeveloped Lansdowne Road, I think a staduim of this size could be very useful to have available.
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Lone Shark
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I've been very clear in my stance on this before, and see no need to roll back on it now for nostalgia purposes. The upshot of it all was that I supported the mandate that kept the rule in place even though I personally would have preferred it deleted, and those who supported Rule 42 should do so too.
Regarding Lansdowne, as far as I'm concerned the GAA should not be like other organisations in that Dublin is everything and the other 31 counties are just a bit of land attached to it. If Croke Park can't house a game, it should be in Portlaoise, or Thurles, or the Revamped O'Connor Park, or the Maze for that matter. We have a selection of stadia that can take 30,000 and a bit along with it, and if a game is going to take much more than that then it belongs in Croker. We have a much greater problem with too many games in Croke Park that don't need it than we do with finding another Dublin stadium to drag people up to.
Regarding Lansdowne, as far as I'm concerned the GAA should not be like other organisations in that Dublin is everything and the other 31 counties are just a bit of land attached to it. If Croke Park can't house a game, it should be in Portlaoise, or Thurles, or the Revamped O'Connor Park, or the Maze for that matter. We have a selection of stadia that can take 30,000 and a bit along with it, and if a game is going to take much more than that then it belongs in Croker. We have a much greater problem with too many games in Croke Park that don't need it than we do with finding another Dublin stadium to drag people up to.
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why would the G.A.A need Landsdowne road when they can only fill Croke park two or three times a year,
better to have the money from the F.A.I and I.R.F.U staying in Ireland and going into GAA coaching and infrastructure than going to Britain and Liverpool or man utd or Celtic football clubs.
and what a great opportunity to showcase this great stadium to the world instead of hiding it because "we hate the brits"
better to have the money from the F.A.I and I.R.F.U staying in Ireland and going into GAA coaching and infrastructure than going to Britain and Liverpool or man utd or Celtic football clubs.
and what a great opportunity to showcase this great stadium to the world instead of hiding it because "we hate the brits"
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you might hate the brits but dont speak 4 everyone,the rule doesnt stop brits playin as that rule was got rid of a long time ago, it stops other sports and dont be so stupid to think allowing other sports into croker will benifit gaa,and as for showing it to the world i doubt jim beglan is goin to keep commentin on who actually owns the stadium,cum on,it time to open your eyes
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Seán Boyle Ó Rathallaigh
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Amazing how this issue keeps coming up, but it's very interesting!
The debate can be a real eye opener and show where peoples loyalties lie. As for the GAA at Lansdowne I agree with the sentiments of LS that we should look beyond Dublin for holding major games where possible. I would like to add the GAA should most certainly get on board the maze project or alternatively re develop Casement Park (as planned), this would allow major fixtures to be played in Belfast (or close by in the Maze). Imagine a cork vs. Mayo All-Irelandn semi-final, or Offaly vs. Donegal in Belfast, it would be great for the GAA to practice its principles i.e. the promotion of a united Ireland, what better way can you display this aim only by acting as if the Border doesn't exist.
It may also help to rubbish the poll published in the Sunday 'west brit' Independent last weekend where it stated that 49% of free staters would not like to see a united Ireland. What kind of message does that send to our Northern brethren. People of this current generation never seem to realise that partition is only a little over 80 years old and for thousands of years before there was no such division!
God bless the GAA for it all encompassing organisation on an All-Ireland basis, feck using Lansdowne Road a bastion of colonialism reach toward Antrim and give back confidence to our friends in the temporarily occupied six counties
The debate can be a real eye opener and show where peoples loyalties lie. As for the GAA at Lansdowne I agree with the sentiments of LS that we should look beyond Dublin for holding major games where possible. I would like to add the GAA should most certainly get on board the maze project or alternatively re develop Casement Park (as planned), this would allow major fixtures to be played in Belfast (or close by in the Maze). Imagine a cork vs. Mayo All-Irelandn semi-final, or Offaly vs. Donegal in Belfast, it would be great for the GAA to practice its principles i.e. the promotion of a united Ireland, what better way can you display this aim only by acting as if the Border doesn't exist.
It may also help to rubbish the poll published in the Sunday 'west brit' Independent last weekend where it stated that 49% of free staters would not like to see a united Ireland. What kind of message does that send to our Northern brethren. People of this current generation never seem to realise that partition is only a little over 80 years old and for thousands of years before there was no such division!
God bless the GAA for it all encompassing organisation on an All-Ireland basis, feck using Lansdowne Road a bastion of colonialism reach toward Antrim and give back confidence to our friends in the temporarily occupied six counties
Landsdowne
The new Landsdowne Road stadium will have absolutely nothing to offer the GAA that it does not already have. We have more than enough mid-sized venues of our own that are already under-utilised without thinking about paying rent for someone elses.
Also, because that site is already slightly restricted as regards the space available, I'd say having to cater for a GAA size pitch would only feck it up completely. That point is also kinda relevant to the Maze project. It might be more cost-effective to just build a Rugby/Soccer size stadium there and use the saved funds to develope Casement/Clones/Cavan/wherever for some extra capacity. Although I base this suggestion purely on Economic grounds, I'm sure it would "acquire" substantial political baggage if it were ever to be seriously considered.
Also, because that site is already slightly restricted as regards the space available, I'd say having to cater for a GAA size pitch would only feck it up completely. That point is also kinda relevant to the Maze project. It might be more cost-effective to just build a Rugby/Soccer size stadium there and use the saved funds to develope Casement/Clones/Cavan/wherever for some extra capacity. Although I base this suggestion purely on Economic grounds, I'm sure it would "acquire" substantial political baggage if it were ever to be seriously considered.
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I know that Croker was used for athletics at one stage... american football of course... u2 concerts are hardly a sport... there was de boxin'... oh, and rounders (and don't dare anyony say that rounders is the GAA's version of cricket!)
I just think its unfortunate that so many people seem to get their jockstraps in an almighty tangle over this issue...
GAA officialdom will happily stage american football matches, only because they feel they are sufficiently insulated from any threat that such unpopular sports would pose to the GAA sports' dominance. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Croke Park was ultimately farmed out for croquet championships, lawn bowls, lacrosse or maybe even polo... if restricted to shetland ponies - its all about money.
And yes, it would be appropriate that some big matches (ie semi-finals etc) be staged up in Norn Iron... the poor barstads have been on complaining that the clampers in Dublin have been especially picking on their vehicles when down in Croker for the day. Northern teams have contributed hugely to the history of Gaelic Football over the past few decades.... they are due some recompense by way of having a big-time ground.
However, lest any of you get carried away here .... I'm thinking my SBO'R here... "God bless the GAA for it all encompassing organisation on an All-Ireland basis, feck using Lansdowne Road a bastion of colonialism"... the rugger-buggers and the hockey players (God bless those lovely skirts those female players wear... what wouldn't similar attire do for the popularity of camogie...) would also claim to encompass all 32 counties - in perhaps a more inclusive fashion (ie fenian and orangie alike) than our beloved GAA.
So get down off them high horses - or the shetland polo ponies - and disregard the sentimentality of the situation as it is spewn forth upon us by the media. Money makes the world go round, world go round, world go round.....
I just think its unfortunate that so many people seem to get their jockstraps in an almighty tangle over this issue...
GAA officialdom will happily stage american football matches, only because they feel they are sufficiently insulated from any threat that such unpopular sports would pose to the GAA sports' dominance. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Croke Park was ultimately farmed out for croquet championships, lawn bowls, lacrosse or maybe even polo... if restricted to shetland ponies - its all about money.
And yes, it would be appropriate that some big matches (ie semi-finals etc) be staged up in Norn Iron... the poor barstads have been on complaining that the clampers in Dublin have been especially picking on their vehicles when down in Croker for the day. Northern teams have contributed hugely to the history of Gaelic Football over the past few decades.... they are due some recompense by way of having a big-time ground.
However, lest any of you get carried away here .... I'm thinking my SBO'R here... "God bless the GAA for it all encompassing organisation on an All-Ireland basis, feck using Lansdowne Road a bastion of colonialism"... the rugger-buggers and the hockey players (God bless those lovely skirts those female players wear... what wouldn't similar attire do for the popularity of camogie...) would also claim to encompass all 32 counties - in perhaps a more inclusive fashion (ie fenian and orangie alike) than our beloved GAA.
So get down off them high horses - or the shetland polo ponies - and disregard the sentimentality of the situation as it is spewn forth upon us by the media. Money makes the world go round, world go round, world go round.....
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Biff I'm unashamed of my bias, indeed god bless the GAA because it encompasses MY culture, you could have baseball on an all-Ireland basis and it wound'nt matter as it promotes an alien culture to mine..........................do you get my driftBiff O'Mahon wrote:
However, lest any of you get carried away here .... I'm thinking my SBO'R here... "God bless the GAA for it all encompassing organisation on an All-Ireland basis, feck using Lansdowne Road a bastion of colonialism"... the rugger-buggers and the hockey players (God bless those lovely skirts those female players wear... what wouldn't similar attire do for the popularity of camogie...) would also claim to encompass all 32 counties - in perhaps a more inclusive fashion (ie fenian and orangie alike) than our beloved GAA......
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I think Ulster the province needs a stadium, rather than necessarily Northern Ireland the political entity, but a site like the Maze would be a great symbol of moving forward beyond the troubled past. Hence my standing in favour of it.
SBÓR, your stance on that 49% is very understandable, but I certainly wouldn't be getting perturbed by any poll in the Sindo - two reasons. Firstly that group of papers have a Dub/UK agenda and look on anything intrinsically Irish or rural as backward. They want Croke Park opened because it will sell more newspapers. I and many others want it opened because I feel that the GAA could and would use the rent money for the ongoing promotion of the games.
But secondly, and mainly, any poll on such a thing is nonsensical, because there would never be such an extreme case of buying a pig in a poke. What were the terms for the purposes of this survey? What is the political will of the majority of the people of Northern Ireland? Will it lead to widespread civil war? Will the terms include Orange Order marches down Tullamore on July 12? What are the financial implications? Will we have our third world health service or the second world NHS?
The truth is that I, like so many other "free staters" as you put it, would believe that it will and should happen in the long run, but certainly not while the majority of the citizens of the six counties wish otherwise - that's why I voted for the GFA, and why depending on how it was phrased, I'd end up voting no on such a poll.
As for Jim10, firstly you might want to go easy on the Nokia-speak if you want us to take you a bit more seriously, and secondly if you genuinely think that I or anyone else casted my vote in favour of repeal on the strength of getting a few nice words thrown our way from Jim Beglin or George Hamilton, you don't understand our position, and should take the time out to do so before commenting. I appreciate the concerns of the no lobby, I just happen to think yes considerations outweigh them. A similarly thoughtful approach rather than a belligerent one might get you more reasoned responses.
SBÓR, your stance on that 49% is very understandable, but I certainly wouldn't be getting perturbed by any poll in the Sindo - two reasons. Firstly that group of papers have a Dub/UK agenda and look on anything intrinsically Irish or rural as backward. They want Croke Park opened because it will sell more newspapers. I and many others want it opened because I feel that the GAA could and would use the rent money for the ongoing promotion of the games.
But secondly, and mainly, any poll on such a thing is nonsensical, because there would never be such an extreme case of buying a pig in a poke. What were the terms for the purposes of this survey? What is the political will of the majority of the people of Northern Ireland? Will it lead to widespread civil war? Will the terms include Orange Order marches down Tullamore on July 12? What are the financial implications? Will we have our third world health service or the second world NHS?
The truth is that I, like so many other "free staters" as you put it, would believe that it will and should happen in the long run, but certainly not while the majority of the citizens of the six counties wish otherwise - that's why I voted for the GFA, and why depending on how it was phrased, I'd end up voting no on such a poll.
As for Jim10, firstly you might want to go easy on the Nokia-speak if you want us to take you a bit more seriously, and secondly if you genuinely think that I or anyone else casted my vote in favour of repeal on the strength of getting a few nice words thrown our way from Jim Beglin or George Hamilton, you don't understand our position, and should take the time out to do so before commenting. I appreciate the concerns of the no lobby, I just happen to think yes considerations outweigh them. A similarly thoughtful approach rather than a belligerent one might get you more reasoned responses.
Firstly you understood my msg so the form of communication worked, the msg was in responce to yoca deise and his simple vision,i have heard every point made by the yes camp and the major flaw with is that even the delegates who voted for the change only done so after the word temperary was added,so it seems even delegates who voted yes dont want the removal of rule 42,r wud u rather forty two
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Personally I can't wait to be at an International Rugby or Soccer Match in Croke Park with 82,000 fans in full voice. I can never get tickets for the Six Nations or World Cup Qualifiers at the moment. It made my year when the GAA voted to facilitate the FAI and IRFU while Croke Park is being redeveloped.
Normally I'd much prefer GAA to either of the other codes and I attend a GAA game nearly every weekend whereas I'd only attend a soccer or rugby match once in a blue moon (once a season a pilgrimage to down-on-their-luck LUFC at Elland Road and as for the funny-shaped ball game it's usually only the Ireland- Scotland match in Edinburgh every two years). But Croke Park with a full house of mainly Irish fans roaring on an Irish team will be really, really special. Spine-tingling, Awesome, Intimidating, Cathedral of Sound etc. etc.
Normally I'd much prefer GAA to either of the other codes and I attend a GAA game nearly every weekend whereas I'd only attend a soccer or rugby match once in a blue moon (once a season a pilgrimage to down-on-their-luck LUFC at Elland Road and as for the funny-shaped ball game it's usually only the Ireland- Scotland match in Edinburgh every two years). But Croke Park with a full house of mainly Irish fans roaring on an Irish team will be really, really special. Spine-tingling, Awesome, Intimidating, Cathedral of Sound etc. etc.