Leinster club hurling draws 2009

[bula bula]

Taken from Hoganstand, this looks like a nice start for Birr or whover can knock them off their lofty perch. Most likely be Portlaoise or Castletown. Only 2 weeks to the final to recover from a test of "good Laois hurling" .

Leinster club hurling championship draws
24 September 2009
The meeting of the Wexford and Kilkenny champions is the pick of the first round ties in this year's Leinster club hurling championship.
The Kilkenny kingpins must travel to Wexford Park for a difficult opening round assignment on November 1, with the winners going on to face the Dublin champions in the semi-final.

On the other side of the draw, the Westmeath and Laois champions will also face off on November 1 at Cusack Park, with the Offaly champions awaiting the winners two weeks later.

The final has been fixed for November 29.

AIB Leinster club senior hurling championship 2009 dates and venues:
1. Wexford v Kilkenny 01.11.2009 Wexford
2. 1 v Dublin 15.11.2009 Home Venue 1
3. Westmeath v Laois 01.11.2009 Westmeath
4. 3 v Offaly 15.11.2009 Home Venue 3
FINAL: 2 v 4 29.11.2009

[doobane man]

All Leinster Club Championships 2009
SENIOR CLUB HURLING
SENIOR CHAMPIONS
Kilkenny, Dublin, Offaly, Wexford, Westmeath, Laois

1 Wexford v Kilkenny 1.11.2009
2 1 v Dublin 15.11.2009
3 Westmeath v Laois 1.11.2009
4 3 v Offaly 15.11.2009
CRAOBH 2 v 4 29.11.2009

SENIOR CLUB FOOTBALL
SENIOR CHAMPIONS
All counties except Kilkenny

1 Louth v Laois 25.10.2009
2 1 v Meath 8.11.2009
3 Kildare v Offaly 25.10.2009
4 3 v Carlow 8.11.2009
5 Longford v Wexford 25.10.2009
6 5 v Westmeath 8.11.2009
7 Dublin v Wicklow 25.10.2009
8 2 v 4 22.11.2009
9 6 v 7 22.11.2009
CRAOBH 8 v 9 6.12.2009

INTERMEDIATE CLUB HURLING
INTERMEDIATE CHAMPIONS Kilkenny, Wexford
SENIOR CHAMPIONS Wicklow, Kildare, Meath, Carlow

1 Kildare v Meath 25.10.2009
2 1 v Carlow 8.11.2009
3 Kilkenny v Wexford 25.10.2009
4 3 v Wicklow 8.11.2009
CRAOBH 2 v 4 22.11.2009

INTERMEDIATE CLUB FOOTBALL
SENIOR CHAMPIONS Kilkenny
INTERMEDIATE CHAMPIONS remaining 11 counties

1 Louth v Carlow 1.11.2009
2 1 v Kilkenny 8.11.2009
3 Longford v Meath 1.11.2009
4 3 v Kildare 8.11.2009
5 Wexford v Laois 1.11.2009
6 5 v Offaly 8.11.2009
7 Westmeath v Wicklow 1.11.2009
8 7 v Dublin 8.11.2009
9 2 v 4 23.11.2009
10 6 v 8 23.11.2009
CRAOBH 9 v 10 6.12.2009

JUNIOR CLUB HURLING
SENIOR CHAMPIONS Longford, Louth
INTERMEDIATE CHAMPIONS Laois, Offaly, Dublin, Wicklow,
Westmeath, Kildare, Meath, Carlow
JUNIOR CHAMPIONS Kilkenny, Wexford

1 Kildare v Louth 18.10.2009
2 1 v Kilkenny 1.11.2009
3 Carlow v Westmeath 18.10.2009
4 3 v Meath 1.11.2009
5 Wexford v Wicklow 18.10.2009
6 5 v Dublin 1.11.2009
7 Laois v Offaly 18.10.2009
8 7 v Longford 1.11.2009
9 2 v 4 15.11.2009
10 6 v 8 15.11.2009
CRAOBH 9 v 10 19.11.2009

JUNIOR CLUB FOOTBALL
INTERMEDIATE CHAMPIONS Kilkenny
INTERMEDIATE RUNNERS-UP Carlow
JUNIOR CHAMPIONS remaining 10 counties

1 Wicklow v Kildare 25.10.2009
2 1 v Meath 8.11.2009
3 Wexford v Laois 25.10.2009
4 3 v Westmeath 8.11.2009
5 Dublin v Carlow 25.10.2009
6 5 v Longford 8.11.2009
7 Louth v Offaly 25.10.2009
8 7 v Kilkenny 8.11.2009
9 2 v 4 22.11.2009
10 6 v 8 22.11.2009
CRAOBH 9 v 10 6.12.2009

[Lone Shark]

JUNIOR CLUB FOOTBALL
......
INTERMEDIATE RUNNERS-UP Carlow

?????

What's that about?

[old yellar]

means that our junior club team wouldnt be deemed strong enough i suppose. which is fair enough when you look through the scene. also a junior team that has a senior club team used not be able to represent the county and i think that would be the thing down here with our junior clubs.. what about your lack of an intermediate hurling comp rep? do you think some team is loosing out on the chance to play in a leinster club champ? i personally reckon our senior winners should on compete in the senior leinster hurling. i know we got a few big beatings a few years ago but we ve ran ballyhale and james stephens close in more recent times and did reasonably well in the leinster league. i think we d have more to offer than clonkill of westmeath.. not being a snob or that, but it doesnt make much sense..

"lower the blade"

[bracknaghboy]

I cant believe that the Carlow champions are not in the club championships. Carlow teams have given a reasonable account of themselves in the 15 years in Leinster club games. I remember Birr struggling 6 or 7 years ago against St. Mullins (I think) in DCP one November Sunday. Who are the morans that decide that they can't play. Every winning club from the 32 counties (and the UK champs) should be entitled to enter the club championship. So the GAA restricts the amount of teams that can participate in the All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship and now they are at the same in the clubs. I've a better idea.....why not ban hurling completley in all counties except Kilkenny, Cork, Galway and Tipperary and get it over with because sometimes I think thats exactly what the GAA are attempting to do in a roundabout way. Madness.

[old yellar]

i m not sure if we re on the same wavelength. our senior champions are playing in the intermediate championship in the hurling..

[Killer B]

i m not sure if we re on the same wavelength. our senior champions are playing in the intermediate championship in the hurling..

What???
Of course our senior chamions are playing in the Leinster senior chamionship

All Leinster Club Championships 2009
SENIOR CLUB HURLING
SENIOR CHAMPIONS
Kilkenny, Dublin, Offaly, Wexford, Westmeath, Laois

1 Wexford v Kilkenny 1.11.2009
2 1 v Dublin 15.11.2009
3 Westmeath v Laois 1.11.2009
4 3 v Offaly 15.11.2009
CRAOBH 2 v 4 29.11.2009

[Bord na Mona man]

i m not sure if we re on the same wavelength. our senior champions are playing in the intermediate championship in the hurling..

What???
Of course our senior chamions are playing in the Leinster senior chamionship

All Leinster Club Championships 2009
SENIOR CLUB HURLING
SENIOR CHAMPIONS
Kilkenny, Dublin, Offaly, Wexford, Westmeath, Laois

1 Wexford v Kilkenny 1.11.2009
2 1 v Dublin 15.11.2009
3 Westmeath v Laois 1.11.2009
4 3 v Offaly 15.11.2009
CRAOBH 2 v 4 29.11.2009

Old yellar is from Carlow

I believe all county champions should be allowed to compete in the Leinster Club Championship btw.
This elitist mindset in the GAA, where there are tiers like this will be the catalyst for the eventual push towards a limited number of professional teams.

[Plain of the Herbs]

Yea, but remember that this grading of the counties in the Leinster club hurling championship allowed Clonkill to appear in Croke Park and to win an All-Ireland title, beating the Galway intermediate champions into the bargain. Had they gone into the senior club championship then they’d probably have just been another also-ran. Is that what they’d have preferred? I doubt it. I’d say that run and subsequent title win did more for them than a one-off match where they’d have put up a good show against maybe the Kilkenny/Wexford/Offaly champions.

The Kilkenny intermediate champions haven’t won the Leinster club IHC in a few years now. Ardlough won it 3 years ago, Clonkill 2 years ago. Sorry I can’t remember who won it last year (was it the Meath champions?), so the Carlow champions would stand a good chance of progressing if they go about it the right way. Now OK, Clonkill have a home tie against ‘CluckBallacolla’* or Portlaoise in the club championship with a shot at Birr for the winners, but then they’ve earned that by winning the IHC 2 years ago.

Certainly there’s nothing to be gained from the Longford and Louth champions being made a show of in the club championship. Remember St. Vincent’s scoring 10-23 against Longford champions a number of years ago. And Vincent’s couldn’t win the next round!

I believe all county champions should be allowed to compete in the Leinster Club Championship btw.
This elitist mindset in the GAA, where there are tiers like this will be the catalyst for the eventual push towards a limited number of professional teams.

*Sorry about that but I just spent the last weekend listening to Radio3 prattling on about 'Cluck/Ballacolla and needed to get it off my chest.

[Plain of the Herbs]

And another thing – am I right in thinking that Ballinamere will represent Offaly in the Leinster Junior club hurling championship given that Brosna Gaels are an amalgamation, Birr have a senior club and Ballinamere were the last Intermediate club left in the competition.

[Bord na Mona man]

I think that once you set the bar lower, teams naturally fall into a comfort zone.
Ideally the club champions of the weakest 5 or 6 counties in Leinster should play each other first, with the winner coming through to take on the stronger county clubs.
That way you'll have eliminated the very weak teams and found the most likely team to give a stronger side a competitive game.

The problem with promotion/relegation that takes effect the following year is that a promotion team on a good run will have lost momentum by having to wait a year.

[Bord na Mona man]

And another thing – am I right in thinking that Ballinamere will represent Offaly in the Leinster Junior club hurling championship given that Brosna Gaels are an amalgamation, Birr have a senior club and Ballinamere were the last Intermediate club left in the competition.

That sounds right.
Brosna Gaels also missed out on Leinster Special Junior hurling competition in 2007 when beaten finalists Killurin took their place.

[Lone Shark]

means that our junior club team wouldnt be deemed strong enough i suppose. which is fair enough when you look through the scene. also a junior team that has a senior club team used not be able to represent the county and i think that would be the thing down here with our junior clubs.. what about your lack of an intermediate hurling comp rep? do you think some team is loosing out on the chance to play in a leinster club champ? i personally reckon our senior winners should on compete in the senior leinster hurling. i know we got a few big beatings a few years ago but we ve ran ballyhale and james stephens close in more recent times and did reasonably well in the leinster league. i think we d have more to offer than clonkill of westmeath.. not being a snob or that, but it doesnt make much sense..

"lower the blade"

I was more surprised at the fact that runners up were allowed in rather than anything else. I wouldn't consider Carlow's Junior championship to be any weaker than that of half the provincial counties in Leinster. Of course there will be second string teams in there, but that's a fact of life in most clubs, you just let the last proper Junior club standing take the slot.

Regarding the intermediate hurling champions in Offaly not taking their place, the Intermediate hurling championship in Offaly is weak, and a lot of clubs that are strong at this level are senior clubs with their second teams. Out of the four teams that were in the intermediate semi-finals this year, only one was eligible for Inter-county competition, and they lost in the semi final. There have been years recently where no intermediate club made the semi finals. Bearing in mind that i don't think our intermediate teams have ever managed to win a Leinster Junior, I'd say it's the right grade for them.

[bracknaghboy]

i m not sure if we re on the same wavelength. our senior champions are playing in the intermediate championship in the hurling..

Yellar I'm aware that ye are in the intermediate championship but thats no place for the senior champions of a progressing county like Carlow. They need to be in the top flight. Again who decides this?? Every senior club champion should have their day out in the senior club championships! It should be a 32 county comp. It makes no sense. So could the Offaly champions be restricted to the intermediate championship or how is it determined??? Why are the Westmeath senior team involved??

[old yellar]

yes i am from carlow, though have a longstanding affair with all matters offaly gaa... i do think our senior winners will stand a great chance in the intermediate hurling. i asked ppower for odds on Mount leinster rangers(who are in the final and have cruised all year) on winning leinster and i got 7 to 1 about 5 weeks ago. think the a great bet.. beat rynaghs - depleted i know, in leinster league handy enough up there, drew with clara of kk in it and eventually lost by 2 pts to dunamangin of kk in semi - hickeys included... but anyhow, who would slot in for offaly in inter if the could field in it? the special junior was great for killurin.. winning in europe was a trip they ll all remember.. as will all the bars between the hague and mountbolus!!