Munster U21 Final

[swiftpost]

Are the clare boys the bitterest in the country,tough on the team but the way their fans are acting now is a disgrace

[OY_94]

I wouldnt condone violence but in all fairness what was the ref at ???????

Why is it that its ALWAYS the big guns, the likes of Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny (kerry or dublin in football) teams that get the breaks like that while the Offalys and clares of this world have to put up with crap decisions. That decision would not have went against the big teams last night. What is gone wrong with referees??

By the way the Tipperary lads cant afford to be too holier than thou over last nights Clare reaction after an incident involving Lorrha and Toomevara recently where the referee got an absolute hiding for himself after the match. After some minimal reporting it has all been brushed under the carpet, just so one of the Lorrha lads could get to play intermediate with Tipp.

[Bord na Mona man]

I wouldn't be a lover of Clare hurling and don't condone the actions last night.

Unfortunately when a hurling official does take it upon themselves to determine the result, it is virtually always in the favour of the marquee county.
The old order is very much ingrained into people's minds.
Clare are rightly peeved especially as the same crack took place last weekend against Cork.

[OY_94]

Meant to put this in my earlier post.

How did the referee not see the puckout himself??

According to the reports his umpire drew attention to the extra step. How did the referee miss it himself when he surely had to be watching it and if he did see it and let it go why did he allow some idiot change his mind??????

[DD]

Meant to put this in my earlier post.

How did the referee not see the puckout himself??

According to the reports his umpire drew attention to the extra step. How did the referee miss it himself when he surely had to be watching it and if he did see it and let it go why did he allow some idiot change his mind??????

Surely the ref was at least 60m away from it - he has to rely on his umpire for such a decision. Once the umpire made the call, the ref had no choice but do what he did.
I have sympathy for Clare as it's an awful way to lose a match but the goalie should have been more careful especially seeing he was pulled up for it earlier in the game.
I think the biggest issue is the rule itself, the punishment is too severe for such an offence as 9 times out 10 it results in a score against the goalkeeper. Surely a re-take and a warning (black tick maybe??) would be much fairer.

[TheManFromFerbane]

Unfortunately when a hurling official does take it upon themselves to determine the result...

He didn't take it upon himself. He made a decision based on the letter of the law and if the keeper was warned before as suggested then unfortunatly the blame has to lie at the keepers door for this one.

[Bord na Mona man]

Unfortunately when a hurling official does take it upon themselves to determine the result...

He didn't take it upon himself. He made a decision based on the letter of the law and if the keeper was warned before as suggested then unfortunatly the blame has to lie at the keepers door for this one.

That would be fine if the rule was implemented consistently.
It isn't.

[TheManFromFerbane]

Unfortunately when a hurling official does take it upon themselves to determine the result...

He didn't take it upon himself. He made a decision based on the letter of the law and if the keeper was warned before as suggested then unfortunatly the blame has to lie at the keepers door for this one.

That would be fine if the rule was implemented consistently.
It isn't.

Surely then the issue is referees that aren't enforcing the rule. Not the ones that are?

[Bord na Mona man]

Surely then the issue is referees that aren't enforcing the rule. Not the ones that are?

In the case yesterday evening, the keeper was marginally outside the square at best.
The umpire had also partially blocked his run back.
It looks more like an official wanting to be in the thick of the action than anything else.
He picked a great time to step up to the plate.

[TheManFromFerbane]

Surely then the issue is referees that aren't enforcing the rule. Not the ones that are?

In the case yesterday evening, the keeper was marginally outside the square at best.
The umpire had also partially blocked his run back.
It looks more like an official wanting to be in the thick of the action than anything else.
He picked a great time to step up to the plate.

I have to say now that I didn't see the game so I can only comment on what I heard but if you're telling me he stepped outside square, marginally or not, then the ref was right by the letter of the law. That is why Clare aren't going to appeal or anything. They don't have a leg to stand on.

[swiftpost]

Surely then the issue is referees that aren't enforcing the rule. Not the ones that are?

In the case yesterday evening, the keeper was marginally outside the square at best.
The umpire had also partially blocked his run back.
It looks more like an official wanting to be in the thick of the action than anything else.
He picked a great time to step up to the plate.

I think we are short enough on officials that want to referee etc to be so harsh on them. He stepped out of the square so it was a free.
It is a stupid rule. It is not always acted on, but the umpire was right.

Didn't KK get a free like that near the end of the offaly game? Scorelines and time gone in a game should not effect a ref's decision.

[azoffaly]

In fairness, this was the SECOND '65 awarded against the goalie for the same offence in the same game. As George Bush famously tried to say, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I agree that this rule is one of those fiddly rules that seems to be haphazardly applied at best. In Thurles this past two weekends, we could have had 20 65s awarded over the 4 games.

HOWEVER, last night, this umpiring team were obviously focussing on it, and if the goalie had fair warning, which I would have thought the earlier 65 would count as, then in this game he has no excuse.

As TMFF says, if it's a rule and it's not applied consistently, then the refs who don't apply it are the ones at fault. If the GAA think it's a stupid rule, then delete it altogether.

[lovelyhurling]

Terrible scenes.. clare were very hard done by. consistency needs to be applied in these kind of rules.

Was talkin to a tipperary u21 on the phone after the match and said it was very dangerous..a women behind the munster chairman got hit by a broken hurl thrown by a clare member/fan. tipp found it hard to make it out of the dressin room and it wasnt tipps fault, their captain didnt help though with his speech.

A fine game of hurling though!

[the bare biffo]

Heard the Clare manager on radio try to defend the clare supporters to some degree by referring back to "Offaly invading Croke Park in 1998 and getting a replay"

Do't often hear much of any worth coming out of newstalks breakfast show in relation to GAA but one suggestion was that maybe a throw in on the 65 would be a more fitting punishment for stepping outside the box.

[Bord na Mona man]

Do't often hear much of any worth coming out of newstalks breakfast show in relation to GAA but one suggestion was that maybe a throw in on the 65 would be a more fitting punishment for stepping outside the box.

If you were playing against a hurricane, losing every puckout, or just wanting to run down the clock, this rule would be perfect!